Heritage winners?

worldcoinguy

Any winners out there tonight? I dont personally have any bids on the table, but I have been watching the live auction through ebay out of the corner of my eye while I clean up around the house. The live auction technology is great. I am curious to see how some of the german state material does.

wybrit

No wins, but I am surprised that the internet bidding only went to $1,750 for the 1839 proof. It will be interesting to see how the live bidding goes.

JZrarities

Nothing.

(Must be the exchange rate? prices were strong)

Doogy

nope, i got beat

MacCrimmon

no bids......as Yogi Berra once observed, "A Nickel Ain't Worth A Dime Anymore."

TwoKopeiki

This one went for about $200 more than I was willing to spend on it - $977 with BP

MacCrimmon

It looks like that 1860 1/4d. mule found an opening bid on the floor at $2500, only to be snatched by an eBay bid at $2600 ($2990 total).

And, whew boy!!! How 'bout that '67 shilling?????

7Jg, it was the 1893 proof 1/2 sov. which finally hammered at 5x Spink.

coinkat

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7Jaguars

Mac, what did the '67 shilling go for? And which '39 proof was Wybrit referring to?

1960NYGiants

I was able to get 3 of 14 items I bid online for. The best one is a 1923 Canada 1c in PGCS MS63BN. A very tough coin to find.

coinkat

the 1867 shilling was at 1250 last I checked

MacCrimmon

<< <i>Mac, what did the '67 shilling go for? And which '39 proof was Wybrit referring to? >>



I believe wybrit was referring to the 1839 PF penny; NGC PF64BN (Bronze) sold for $2,012.50. Also, it received no further bids from the floor.

The 1867 shilling sold for $4,025. You were correct coinkat, the shilling closed out the Internet bid process last night at $1,250. So, it was quite active, and sold to the floor for that price.

dizzlecc

Shut out.

I was an under bidder on the 1805 Guatamala 8 reales

It seemed like there was decent action on the floor.

bidask

I bought 4 coins and paid world records I am sure.

MyWorldCoinTypeSet

Just one win for me.

wybrit

That '67 shilling was an amazing example and fabulous strike, but I believe it is the common die pairing 4+A.

Why?

* The "I" in "Vict" points to a bead (Obv 4), not to a space (the rarer obv 5). The obverse of the Heritage piece is high relief (correctly stated on the PCGS slab), the rarer obverse for the date is actually lower relief. Source: Davies
* There is a die number, so it's not the "no die number" example that some think exists.
* I have an example of the same die pairing and got it pretty cheap, though it's not an MS65 by any stretch.

Verdict? Unless I am missing something (and that seems to happen more the older I get), I think far too much money was paid for this piece and Heritage did not quote the correct price for the variety - it's £200 UNC in the 2005 Spink and in 2007 Collector Coins. I'd bet there are more of these about. Allowing for a PCGS slab, I'd say it's really worth no more than $1,000. Did the bidders do their homework?

wybrit

On the other hand, the proof penny went for cheap IMO. Only 300 were made and not many look like that! It should have been more like $2,500 or even $3,000.

MacCrimmon

<< <i>That '67 shilling was an amazing example and fabulous strike, but I believe it is the common die pairing 4+A.

Why?

* The "I" in "Vict" points to a bead (Obv 4), not to a space (the rarer obv 5). The obverse of the Heritage piece is high relief (correctly stated on the PCGS slab), the rarer obverse for the date is actually lower relief. Source: Davies
* There is a die number, so it's not the "no die number" example that some think exists.
* I have an example of the same die pairing and got it pretty cheap, though it's not an MS65 by any stretch.

Verdict? Unless I am missing something (and that seems to happen more the older I get), I think far too much money was paid for this piece and Heritage did not quote the correct price for the variety - it's £200 UNC in the 2005 Spink and in 2007 Collector Coins. I'd bet there are more of these about. Allowing for a PCGS slab, I'd say it's really worth no more than $1,000. Did the bidders do their homework? >>




I don't have a copy of Davies handy, but even though the Heritage description says "medal-die", the coin is definitely the coin-die orientation (see slab) which seems to put it into the Spink 3906A classification. Since my two 3906As are dates unique to this class I've never check the die orientation.

Did Spink switch the arrows between S-3905 and S-3906A (I'm looking at a 2007 copy)?

7Jaguars

I think the penny went at a good price and like these very much - was the mintage actually higher than 300 as there seem to be many around. Colin Cooke had many, I think 6, for sale earlier in the year.

The shilling seemed to have brought pretty big money as the actual proofs of 1867 should be about 2500 pounds if decent.

Not sure about the '78 florin as that was maybe only 100-200 above what I think it should have gone for.

Well, at least there were nice coins for sale.

Rickc300

Not even close! I made a couple of low ball bids just in case but the results were nothing like I thougt would transpire. A few bargains were had on a couple of items but more "what were they really thinking?" More money than brains IMHO on some pretty common stuff... (Germany)

wybrit

Mac, Davies, ESC and Collector Coins all point to the latter obverse as being the rarer. Spink does have a long standing printing error regarding die orientation: like all other young head silver, S3905 is coin orientation.

I stand by my belief that Heritage made several errors in the listing and someone simply paid far, far too much for the coin.

wybrit

I think the penny went at a good price and like these very much - was the mintage actually higher than 300 as there seem to be many around. Colin Cooke had many, I think 6, for sale earlier in the year.

The official mintage is 300, but it is well known that mintage figures of that time period are not reliable. I've also seen more pennies for sale than the other pieces. Keep in mind that Colin Cooke also has had a lot of examples of 1860 copper farthings on display / for sale. I'm not sure what CC has in stock is necessarily a good gauge of mintage/rarity. Given recent auctions CC has done online, and how quickly new items sell upon being published, I'm thinking that if I want a high quality, high rarity British coin to move quickly, CC is at least one of best options for point of sale, if not the best.

When I had one for auction up on ebay though, the bidding surprisingly was very aggressive and fetched a high price given its condition (AU58), approximately Spink value for a MS example.

oreville

I was on the floor Sunday night and the auction went so slowwwww.

I won the Marc Anthony Roman coin for $431.75 (too much $$) and 1911 Canada 5c in ICG MS-65. It was nicer than the PCGS MS-67!

I also won the 1948 Canada 25c in PCGS MS-67. Otherwise, shut out.

Mark Antony. 32-31 B.C. AR denarius (16 mm, 3.70 g). Uncertain mint in Greece, perhaps Patras(?). Galley sailing right / LEG VIII, aquila between two legionary standards. Crawford 544/21; HCRI 358; Sydenham 1225; RSC 35. Toned VF, edge flaw on reverse. Nice.





George V 5 Cents 1911, KM16, MS65 ICG, a choice and fully original coin with deep patina.I paid an average price of $253. But what a coin!!!!




George VI 25 Cents 1948, KM44, MS67 PCGS, fiery russet patina over full blazing mint luster, a highly attractive coin in virtually perfect condition. I paid too much at $1610.

coinkat

Why do you think 1610 is too much?

I would rather see the coin in hand before commenting further, however, I will likely disagree with you

Meiji

I won 1 auction out of 5. The Prices were really strong and I believe it was due to the strong Euro and Pounds vs. the US dollar.
It was abit dissapointing but I did win this 8 Reales.
Do you think Soaking the coin in Acetone will get out the stain on the coin after busting it out?

TwoKopeiki

Nice pick-up, Meiji! It's hard to make any assumptions about the "stain" without knowing if it developed in the holder, or was already on the coin prior to submission. If it's the latter, I wouldn't get my hopes up of removing it, since the coin looks like it was already treated to a dip prior to submission. You could have NCS take a crack at it, since there's no worry about them stripping the toning.

Meiji

Thanks Roman for the quick Reply. Unfortunately this is my first slab coin and I dont know much about NGC and how they work.
I was poking around their website but the only information I could find about cleaning the coin was through NCS.
Would I submit the coin to NCS and get it reslabbed by NGC? If so how do I go about this process?
Thanks.

7Jaguars

Yes, not to suggest that Colin Cooke was anything other than a good source and to cite an example of more of these pennies showing up. I think that Baldwin, Rasmussen, and quite a few others are also not only good sources for coins but have handled a number of these.

BTW, the 1860 farthings (large module copper) on the CC site are specimens that he has been aware of or owned at one time or another. These would be scarce animals of an entirely different order.

I agree that scarcity of Brit 19th C. issues (and 20th C. to some extent) is very hard to determine, both by mintage and by people's opinion of what is or what is not. An easy example would be the 1946 & 1949 brass threepences or the 1952 sixpence. Or 1872-74 florins or 1887 young head halfcrowns - the list goes on and on. Discussion in these chats as well as elsewhere is quite helpful and stimulating in this regard.

bosox

Lot 50415 - 1858 Canadian cent. At 63RB it is the finest full vine 1858 cent I have ever seen.

Lot 50424 - 1891 LDLL Canadian cent in 65RB

Lots 50996 and 50997 - Two of the 3 French Equatorial Africa pieces in the auction for my WWII collection. The third went for moon money.

I also feel like I paid too much across the board, but I agree the weak dollar had something to do with that. I guess it is my penance for all that time that Canadian dollar was at 75 or 80 cents.

TwoKopeiki

So, it appears that the highest bidder bailed-out on the second lot I was bidding on and Heritage sold it to me for my max bid. Shaweet



Ferdinand VII Silver 8 Reales Proclamation 1808, Medina 313, Fonrobert 8968, choice AU, lightly toned with abundant original mint luster. Obverse: Bust of the King; Reverse: Arms of the City of Lima. 27.06 grams.

1960NYGiants

Congrats Roman. Very neat coin.

worldcoinguy

Stunning design Roman! I can't say I have ever seen that piece before. Nice pickup.

FilamCoins

Made an offer on this one after it didn't sell at auction. Waiting to hear if I got it. Can somebody display the pic in this thread? I can't figure out how to do it. Thanks.

dizzlecc

Roman, that is an awesome coin. I really like the details.

TwoKopeiki

Filam, I haven't figured-out a way to link directly to Heritage site, so I downloaded and re-uploaded the images. Gorgeous Waitangi Crown, I hope your offer is accepted.





<< <i> Roman, that is an awesome coin. I really like the details. >>



Thanks, dizzlecc I really like the designs of Proclamation coinage.

FilamCoins

Hey, thanks Roman!

Resplandor

Congratulations Roman, that sure is a beauty.

bosox

I am pretty pleased with this one. 1858 Canada cent in MS-63 RB. Fairly graded, given the carbon spot on the cheek.

Most 1858 cents have a large break in the reverse vine at 9 o'clock and two broken leaf stems where pieces broke off from the working punch. In researching my book on 1858 cents I used a random sample of 150 coins and found that 96% of all 1858 cents have these vine and stem breaks and only 4% do not. This is the highest grade 1858 with an intact vine (and 16 intact stems) that I have seen. This coin was also minted with clashed dies for good measure. This reverse working die later developed numerous die cracks but, except for the die clash, this example is as Wyon engraved it.

Geekdom at its finest - finding a variety that only the people who have read your book know about. Pictures by Heritage.

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