Hey, this is a great design. I think it is one of the best designs ever. Unfortunately, these went into bags at the mint and many were not struck up that well. Truly gem and choice well struck pieces of even the common dates may one day bring big money.
Love that Milled British (1830-1960) Well, just Love coins, period.
Here are the only two that I have. One is a 1902 the other a 1907. Both are in crappy shape but I love the coins so I picked them up for about 2 bucks a piece, of course at my local fav coin shop... Todd
From days of yore, a lovely coin, best one I ever had (once I even completed the date set, which isn't saying a whole lot for, say 20-30 years ago, when they were $3 in MS):
I never pay too much for my tokens...but every now and then I may buy them too soon.
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This is my one of my all-time favorite series... Terrific examples Wybrit. As you know, the 1902 is considered the most available in BU and the 1905 is quite tough. I still think the 1903 and 1908 are perhaps alittle underrated in a quality grade
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I was thinking it looked clean. They rub them???? What the heck for? If it is a rub from the mint that's bad news because you could mistake that for cleaning marks. Well at least I would....... Todd
Most believe that the matte proof set coins of 1902 were wiped at the mint after striking. No telling if recipients and subsequent owners were also enthusiastic in this regard. Grading is therefore problematic because these changes are after striking even if they may have occurred at the mint.
Both "P" and "N" graded coins have this and it seems that on some days it bothered graders more than other days. I think it was Goldberg that some years ago had a number of Proof 63 and even 64 that apparently came from the same consignor and these were definately NOT any better than many graded previously that had come back 60 or 61. Unfortunately, this made some of think that there was some favoritism being showed toward large ($$) submissions.
Full struck unwiped or bagmarded 1908 florins with decent face detail and no flatness to drapery folds on Britannia have been in my experience the most difficult to find of all dates, and I have never seen one that was acceptable - making this distinctly scarcer than the 1905. The 1903s seem to be more available than the other two however.
Love that Milled British (1830-1960) Well, just Love coins, period.
That was indeed a matte proof, Hyperion...and I appreciate the follow-up by 7jags as well. I have indeed noticed that 1902's seemed to have been singled out for this sort of treatment, and that includes shillings, halves, and crowns.
Among the other theories I've heard or read: a. Mint employees polished the dies with a very mild abrasive; b. They polished the coins likewise, upon striking; c. My favorite: contemporary collectors were so unused to the "matte" concept back in 1902 that they did their own post-purchase polishing! The !#$%^ coins weren't shiny enough!
This was part of a coronation set that probably sold in fairly large quantities to the general public (as opposed to numismatists), so option c certainly has some appeal.
Remember, this image is at about 35x magnification, so what looks almost microscopic in hand appears greatly exaggerated when blown up that much. At 10x, which I've always understood to be "normal" grading magnification, this wouldn't have seemed so pronounced.
It was a beauty!
Best to all ~ Tom
I never pay too much for my tokens...but every now and then I may buy them too soon.
Proud (but humbled) "You Suck" Designee, February 2010.
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Nice piece in higher grades, and priced accordingly....
<< <i>Nice piece in higher grades, and priced accordingly.... >>
ditto! in higher grades, with minimal bagmarks and a strong strike, these coins are stunning!
Well, just Love coins, period.
Todd
Proud (but humbled) "You Suck" Designee, February 2010.
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dalton... is that a matte proof? I used to have a crown same date which was hairlined... I read someplace that they'd rub 'em up after production emb:
Todd
Both "P" and "N" graded coins have this and it seems that on some days it bothered graders more than other days. I think it was Goldberg that some years ago had a number of Proof 63 and even 64 that apparently came from the same consignor and these were definately NOT any better than many graded previously that had come back 60 or 61. Unfortunately, this made some of think that there was some favoritism being showed toward large ($$) submissions.
Full struck unwiped or bagmarded 1908 florins with decent face detail and no flatness to drapery folds on Britannia have been in my experience the most difficult to find of all dates, and I have never seen one that was acceptable - making this distinctly scarcer than the 1905. The 1903s seem to be more available than the other two however.
Well, just Love coins, period.
I have indeed noticed that 1902's seemed to have been singled out for this sort of treatment,
and that includes shillings, halves, and crowns.
Among the other theories I've heard or read:
a. Mint employees polished the dies with a very mild abrasive;
b. They polished the coins likewise, upon striking;
c. My favorite: contemporary collectors were so unused to the "matte" concept
back in 1902 that they did their own post-purchase polishing! The !#$%^ coins
weren't shiny enough!
This was part of a coronation set that probably sold in fairly large quantities to the
general public (as opposed to numismatists), so option c certainly has some appeal.
Remember, this image is at about 35x magnification, so what looks almost microscopic
in hand appears greatly exaggerated when blown up that much. At 10x, which I've always
understood to be "normal" grading magnification, this wouldn't have seemed so pronounced.
It was a beauty!
Best to all ~
Tom
Proud (but humbled) "You Suck" Designee, February 2010.
that's the only example Ive seen where you can make out the detail clearly... nice!
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.