clarification on ebay rules...

savoyspecial

i have a pci as well as a hallmark (old hallmark) slab that i'm putting on ebay.....i understand that i cant list a grade in my title but can i mention the coins grade in my description?? also is it allowed to say "mint state" or even have the company (pci) name in the title

just a little confused
greg

savoyspecial

anyone?

pharmer

You and everyone else is confused about it. I read here that there is something of a moratorium on enforcement while they attempt to extricate their craniums from their rectums on this. Don't know if that's the rear view image of the entire slab vs the rear view image of 55% of the slab, or some other aspect of it.

Russ

<< <i>but can i mention the coins grade in my description?? >>



Yes, you can.



<< <i>also is it allowed to say "mint state" or even have the company (pci) name in the title >>



You can say mint state, but you cannot mention the grading company unless it is one of the authorized ones.



<< <i>I read here that there is something of a moratorium on enforcement >>



Not that I've seen. Auctions are still getting quickly shut down for violations.

Russ, NCNE

pharmer

<< <i>anyone? >>



There you go!

Mercury10c

<< <i>Not that I've seen. Auctions are still getting quickly shut down for violations. >>



They must not be enforcing the "both sides of the slab" picture rule. Very few of the
auctions that I am monitoring on a daily basis have pics of both sides. They are all
PCGS and NGC coins, Franklins and Morgans. I even reported an ANACS coin that
was listed as a PCGS coin, and Ebay did not pull the auction. It's probably more like
selective enforcement.

Russ

<< <i><< Not that I've seen. Auctions are still getting quickly shut down for violations. >>

They must not be enforcing the "both sides of the slab" picture rule. >>



Sure they are. I've reported two in the last week that were shut down within 24 hours. The real reason I reported this particular seller is that he's a blatant key word spammer, and eBay has never done anything about it. So, I used the slab pic rule instead. I think it really comes down to providing the eBay drone on the other end with exactly the right language so they don't have to do any thinking.

Russ, NCNE

Frankcoins

Our rep has told us that PCI and SEGS, even though traded on the exchanges and listed on the Blue Sheet, may not have the name of the grading company in either the title OR the description, nor may ANY price estimate be used (even Blue Sheet which are firm sight unseen bids!) The numerical grade can be given only in the text , not in the title where it can be searched. (You CAN do a search for TITLE and TEXT but it's generally useless, since most listings have boilerplate material like "Authorized dealers for PCGS, NGC, ANACS, etc)

For raw coins, you may not list a numerical grade (you can say things like Select Uncirculated, which is the language used by the double full-page-ad crooks in the coin papers) nor a retail or Greysheet value, nor an estimate of what it should realize, nor even what you paid for it!

As a licensed auctioneer in Texas, where all my training has been to give as full a description as possible, plus an estimate of the appraised value, ebay's forcing sellers to OMIT relevant information is really a disservice. After listing several thousand dollars worth of coin auctions to blow out my inventory of "unapproved slabs" before the October 1 hard deadline, ebay ended these auctions anyway and sent letters to my customers that I had listed a counterfeit!

I have listed almost nothing on ebay since then.

Russ

<< <i>For raw coins, you may not list a numerical grade >>



You can list a numerical grade in the description.



<< <i>ebay ended these auctions anyway and sent letters to my customers that I had listed a counterfeit! >>



eBay did not send letters to your customers saying you listed a counterfeit. You really need to get off that bogus claim. This is the eMail they send when they end an auction, and it says NOTHING about counterfeits:



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Dear compucheap (sales@compucheap.com),

Thank you for your bid on the following auction-style listing:

Item number: 190172559608
Title: 1964 PROOF KENNEDY SILVER HALF ACCENTED HAIR ???? PR66

Unfortunately, eBay has removed this auction-style listing. All bids or offers on this listing have been canceled. Because the listing was ended, you no longer have any obligation to purchase this item.

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We're sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your understanding.

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Russ, NCNE

Frankcoins

<< <i>

You can list a numerical grade in the description. >>



I am simply telling what my rep told me



<< <i>

eBay did not send letters to your customers saying you listed a counterfeit. You really need to get off that bogus claim. This is the eMail they send when they end an auction, and it says NOTHING about counterfeits:

>>

They certainly did at one time, since my buyers forwarded copies to me. But I guess since your hobby is trying to have people's auctions of legitimate coins ended simply because you don't like the seller, you must know about the latest notices that they send.

I think your behavior is juvenile, unprofessional and unethical.

Russ

No, Frank, my hobby is pointing out how full of crap you are.

Russ, NCNE

Manorcourtman

<< <i>Our rep has told us that PCI and SEGS, even though traded on the exchanges and listed on the Blue Sheet, may not have the name of the grading company in either the title OR the description, nor may ANY price estimate be used (even Blue Sheet which are firm sight unseen bids!) The numerical grade can be given only in the text , not in the title where it can be searched. (You CAN do a search for TITLE and TEXT but it's generally useless, since most listings have boilerplate material like "Authorized dealers for PCGS, NGC, ANACS, etc)

For raw coins, you may not list a numerical grade (you can say things like Select Uncirculated, which is the language used by the double full-page-ad crooks in the coin papers) nor a retail or Greysheet value, nor an estimate of what it should realize, nor even what you paid for it!

As a licensed auctioneer in Texas, where all my training has been to give as full a description as possible, plus an estimate of the appraised value, ebay's forcing sellers to OMIT relevant information is really a disservice. After listing several thousand dollars worth of coin auctions to blow out my inventory of "unapproved slabs" before the October 1 hard deadline, ebay ended these auctions anyway and sent letters to my customers that I had listed a counterfeit!

I have listed almost nothing on ebay since then. >>



No matter what the rules are many sellers still include PCI/SEGS ie. in descriptions. I have a customized search that updates daily for these key-words. Ebay sends me these auctions daily as a service. I would not hesitate to use these companies names in descriptions as there are people looking for these items daily. Just an FYI from the consumer side of eBay.