What is the single most "investable" modern card?
OnlyThe10s
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What card 1980 or later is thought to climb in price the most?
My thoughts? Any ARod rookie.
Your thoughts?
My thoughts? Any ARod rookie.
Your thoughts?
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I can see were the old cards are worth something, but not these days, when their making all these autographed jersey rookie cards and stuff.
Giovanni
Edited to say: BTW, I forgot to mention which card I think would go up. Non-auto or non-jersey card, I think the 1985 Prism Jewel Sticker Michael Jordan(which is actualy a sticker LOL), and for the autograph card, I think a Wilt Chamberlain Auto???
are going to slow down.
Kevin
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AROD is a possibility, but remember what happened to Bonds' stuff
I think early '80's cards are way underpriced, at least in comparison to the newer "junk". Rookie cards of Gwynn, Boggs, Mattingly, Ripken, Sandberg, even Clemens and McGwire (Although that is going to depend on how the steroid stuff shakes out) can be had for very little. I think when the market adjusts, these will be the next group to go up.
John
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<< <i>Key with newer rookie stuff/autos stuff is they are #'ed by machine. 80's stuff would number to 10,000 probably if they were stamped. >>
I would think the 80s stuff would be numbered to at least 100,000. Probably closer to 500,000 or more.
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Even worse for the value.
<< <i>Ripken are you talking about Brady ?
John >>
Nope. Considering the fact that virtually every Brady rookie card has more than doubled in value, a person has to honestly ask how much higher a card can go. A Mint 9 Manning SPX RC will cost around $300-$320. The same Mint 9 card in the SP Authentic will run over $750. On that note, there are 1,998 SPX cards vs 2,000 SP Authentic cards.
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In less than 2 years, his best RC (The Cup) has jumped $7,000 in value....wtf? That card came out at $3,500 and now it's $12,000.
John
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I would love to see A-Rod break the single season HR Record too .
That would be extremely difficult though not impossible .
Let me add one thing though....
By "investment" I meant buy low and sit on it with the hopes of it increasing.
So you can get a PSA 10 AROD RC for $XXX and I think we all know he'll be the HR king someday, and he's broken a lot of records, etc... so this is why I think it'll go up.
I'm not asking what card (that currently sells for $2,000.00+) will go up... I wanted to buy low and sit on it.
So, excluding jersey/GU/autos, which "regular" modern card do you think?
Joe
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A-Rod, Puljos, Manning, Brady, etc.. How much more upside do they have? I would think that %, which could increase, would be minimal.
Edited to say: I agree with stown. You don't make money when you sell, you make money when you buy. If you can buy any card for a great price, you can make $$ on it. Take 1993 Refractors. If you buy low, you can't possibly ever lose $$$$ on them. Check out mojomagnet on eBay and how many card's she's sold recently. Since 11/07, she's probably made close to $20,000 profit on these cards.
I'm not trying to brag on these cards, but they are sound investments if you can buy low and grade high.
I bought D. Andersons exquisite last year for $30 on eBay after he started the last few games and bought Marion Barber for $180. Both have sold for over $350 at some point this season. I bought a Brady Contenders in August for $575 and I keep thinking it can't go up anymore and that I should sell it, but if they keep winning it will only rise and if they win the Super Bowl with a Record SB performance from Brady, I cannot imagine what that card will be selling for SB night.
If you want an investment that will grow get in early. People buying the Brady Contenders and Bowman Chrome Pujols now will never make as much as someone who bought them in 2001 and held till now to sell, ofcourse in the Pujols case they were getting more 2 seasons ago when his cards were so hot on eBay and the UD RC was selling for $100.
I'm going to hold off on ARod till the juice thing settles down, just in case.
I was also thinking Daisuke Matsuzaka stuff, but he's not doing much so far (although I remain cautiously optimistic)
If you want to invest in someone from the modern era I would invest in Hanley Ramirez. His 2003 Bowman Chrome Auto RC is around 200.00 and it should nothing but increase. This kid looks to have nothing but a huge upside. I'd say buy now.
Secondary choices would be
2005 Ryan Braun Bowman Chrome Draft AUTO RC
2005 Ryan Zimmerman Bowman Chrome Draft AUTO RC
2003 Nick Markakis Bowman Chrome Draft AUTO RC
2005 Justin Verlander Bowman Chrome AUTO RC
All of the above young stars look to be the real deal (well Braun is a bit early to tell) and would make sound investments in my book.
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the week before Mitchell report, his stuff was dirt cheap! problem is the selection has been down since many sellers see the lower prices and have held off putting things up for sale....
when pujols starts hot again this season, and since he is known as a CLEAN SLUGGER, (maybe the only clean slugger beside Howard who cant really hit, he only sluggs), his stuff will take off again, maybe even moreso than in 2006....
fandango, come on... Big papi is a clean slugger too! :-)
<< <i>If you want an investment that will grow get in early. People buying the Brady Contenders and Bowman Chrome Pujols now will never make as much as someone who bought them in 2001 and held till now to sell, of course in the Pujols case they were getting more 2 seasons ago when his cards were so hot on eBay and the UD RC was selling for $100. >>
Bingo.
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In my mind cards are like ANY investment (if that's the angle you are interested in). I thus harken back to college economics (macro I think). The current price of a stock (or a baseball card) includes all public information (and a lot of "private" info as well) and the future prospects of a company (or a player) are already factored in to the price. That is, a sale happens when half the people think the company (or card) are going up in value and half think it is going down in value. People expect Arod to keep hitting 50 bombs a year. If he doesn't his cards will probably stay stagnant. On the other hand, if a guy comes out of nowhere to start hitting 50 bombs a year his cards will quickly increase in value. Of course this is why to really make a huge profit you have to take a huge risk. It's also why I buy conservative investments and why I buy baseball cards for enjoyment (not investment).
<< <i>artistlost, this is EXACTLY the type of resonse I was looking for. Thanks for your insight.
fandango, come on... Big papi is a clean slugger too! :-) >>
thats not what i hear, i hear bigpapi is one of the biggest juicers going....it started when he got dropped by minnesota....
<< <i>I honestly think that most auto/GU stuff is waaaaaaay overpriced. The exceptions are those guys who do not have many auto variations who are no longer playing.
AROD is a possibility, but remember what happened to Bonds' stuff
I think early '80's cards are way underpriced, at least in comparison to the newer "junk". Rookie cards of Gwynn, Boggs, Mattingly, Ripken, Sandberg, even Clemens and McGwire (Although that is going to depend on how the steroid stuff shakes out) can be had for very little. I think when the market adjusts, these will be the next group to go up. >>
I agree about the recent Auto/GU stuff, but I am unsure if the 80's material will go up, as these players have established themselves, and their numbers will never change. That being said, buying Rookie cards of all of the above players for less than 20 bucks in high grade is a great deal. Similar as how during the 80's and their playing days, their cards were worth more then as there was still the possibility that all of the above players would be the all-time greatest in some aspects. At the end of the day most were all HOFers but none of the above were considered the greatest hitter, slugger, pitcher, etc.
If Pujols or ARod fail to break any of the previously established records, look for their cards to take a plunge similar to Griffey Jr. who was de-railed by injury.
J
If you want to invest in cards, find a collectible set you think will remain in demand (the boat has probably passed on 93 refractors and 96 Mirror Golds, but something modern that's comparable). The 1999 Elite Passing the Torch football auto set #d to 100 with Unitas/Manning and Payton/Sanders among others seems like it should do well over time.
I guess what I'm saying is don't invest in the player, invest in the set.
<< <i>The 1999 Elite Passing the Torch football auto set #d to 100 with Unitas/Manning and Payton/Sanders among others seems like it should do well over time. >>
Nice choice!
However, it is possible to buy a card of a star as an investment, even if the price is somewhat inflated. After the Colts went yet another year without a Super Bowl I picked up a Manning Contenders before the '06 season. It was $1,300-$1,400 if my memory is right and I can sell it for quite a bit more. I guess it depends on the definition of investment.
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<< <i>i may be biased but the last 4 months have been great buying opportunities for Pujols cards...
the week before Mitchell report, his stuff was dirt cheap! problem is the selection has been down since many sellers see the lower prices and have held off putting things up for sale....
when pujols starts hot again this season, and since he is known as a CLEAN SLUGGER, (maybe the only clean slugger beside Howard who cant really hit, he only sluggs), his stuff will take off again, maybe even moreso than in 2006.... >>
This is probably your most overtly Pujols-lover post to date.
The only clean slugger?
Get a brain, there are many out there. Ortiz, Thomas, Griffey come to mind, among many others.
list the clean "sluggers"
Pujols
howard
fielder
griffey
anyothers?
Schmidt, Rice, et al.
Antonio Gates is supposed to be the up and coming tight end that breaks all the records Tony will set, but Gonzalez still had a better year than Gates had. Gates can't break his records if he can't even gain on him.
<< <i>Of course this is why to really make a huge profit you have to take a huge risk. It's also why I buy conservative investments and why I buy baseball cards for enjoyment (not investment). >>
I personally do not think buying modern cards is an investment... it is more speculation.......
<< <i>You guys are funny- ARod? Pujols? Crosby? Brady? Manning? The inflated prices of all these guys is already built in to what people think they will do. Clearly they all are superstars and clearly they will all break records and eventually end up in the Hall, and people are paying prices based on those assumptions. >>
<< <i>I don't understand how sports like basketball and hockey, by far the #3 and #4 sports in America can have the most ridiculously priced RC's every. Seriously 12K for a Crosby? Brady's should be worth 20K based on that. >>
i don't know about basketball, but the easy answer for hockey is CANADA.
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Manny Ramirez
the list goes on.
Your blind admiration for Pujols is just flat-out annoying. Not only do you admire him (which is cool), you bash virtually EVERY other player baseball past and present to do so.
<< <i>Alex & Pudge Rodriguez
Thome
Manny Ramirez
the list goes on.
Your blind admiration for Pujols is just flat-out annoying. Not only do you admire him (which is cool), you bash virtually EVERY other player baseball past and present to do so. >>
if you think Pudge and arod are clean, you are being very naive....
who do i bash? cheaters? yes Bondz? yes
i like a lot of players....youshould also know im a huge Mattingly fan, Yaz fan, Mantle fan, and i collect other things besides Pujols...i have a 1914 carcker jack collection going on, a t201 collection 50% complete, and i started the 1916 Famous and barr registry...
the only thing i dont like are 1993 refractors cause they lied about the actual print run and that is bad....
ps pudge is no longer a "slugger" since he came of the juice years ago....
pss...have you ever seen LATIN STARS card? ENOUGH SAID
<< <i>Scott Kazmir and Carl Crawford rookie autos.
Carl Crawford is freakin' sick.
Please, please, please trade him to the 'Stros for peanuts, please.
Thank you in advance.
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<< <i>artistlost, this is EXACTLY the type of resonse I was looking for. Thanks for your insight.
fandango, come on... Big papi is a clean slugger too! :-) >>
thats not what i hear, i hear big papi is one of the biggest juicers going....it started when he got dropped by minnesota.... >>
Are you refering to the power numbers jump from when Papi went from the Twins to the Sox? There is a simple explanation for that and it comes from Papi's book. One of the things the Twins wanted Papi to do was hit for average and play small ball. Try to pull the ball the other way, advance runners, what some call National league style of ball. They wanted him to hit they way they wanted, not the way he was used to.
When he came to the Red Sox they told him they wanted him to go up there and swing away. No worrying about hitting the other way, don't worry about advancing the runner, just swing away. Give a batter the green light, tell him to do what comes natural, he is gonna be happier, and hit better.
Now when you take a man that size with that power and tell him he HAS to hit for base hits, NOT power which is what his strenghth is, he obviously will hit less long balls. But you take that hitter and tell him to do what comes natural, swing away, of course you are going to have a numbers spike. No steroids needed, just a change of philosophy.
You believe in Pujols, I believe in Papi.
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<< <i>Scott Kazmir and Carl Crawford rookie autos.
Carl Crawford is freakin' sick.
Please, please, please trade him to the 'Stros for peanuts, please.
Thank you in advance.
The City of Houston
I guess it's because they play in front of 15-20k a night at home, but I don't understand how the world doesn't recognize these guys.
Crawford is 26 years old played 5 full seasons, and is 10 hits shy of 1000. He has more hits, home runs, a higher slugging %, higher OBP, a higher OPS, and more RBIs than Roberto Clemente after the same number of seasons. CC leads every one of those categories over Clemente easily too. Has lead the league in SBs every year but 1 and increased his batting average every year of his career finishing at .315 last year.
The Mets are going to regret letting Kazmir go for a long time, unless they snatch him up during free agency. His win/loss numbers aren't impressive, but don't forget he has the Tampa Bay bullpen blowing at least 3 or 4 games a season for him plus, he turns 24 at the end of the month. I think he lead the AL in K's last year if I'm not mistaking. The pitching coach messed with his mechanics and had him change where he stood on the rubber and it messed him up badly, leading to a collapse after the all star break in 06. He was back last year though after going back to his old ways. He should also feel some of the pressure being lifted off of his shoulders with the development of James Shields, David Price, Jeff Niemann, Jacob Mcgee, and Wade Davis. Also the front office bolstered the bullpen more over the offseason, picking up Troy Percival which will move Al Reyes into the Set up role which was the main problem last season.
Either way, watch out for these guys in the future. If either of them played in LA, NY, or Boston, they'd be perennial all stars and you wouldn't be able to pick up their autos for $5 on ebay.
Ok, my rant on how you all should pay attention to the Rays is over now.
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<< <i>Alex & Pudge Rodriguez
Thome
Manny Ramirez
the list goes on.
Your blind admiration for Pujols is just flat-out annoying. Not only do you admire him (which is cool), you bash virtually EVERY other player baseball past and present to do so. >>
if you think Pudge and arod are clean, you are being very naive....
who do i bash? cheaters? yes Bondz? yes
i like a lot of players....youshould also know im a huge Mattingly fan, Yaz fan, Mantle fan, and i collect other things besides Pujols...i have a 1914 carcker jack collection going on, a t201 collection 50% complete, and i started the 1916 Famous and barr registry...
the only thing i dont like are 1993 refractors cause they lied about the actual print run and that is bad....
ps pudge is no longer a "slugger" since he came of the juice years ago....
pss...have you ever seen LATIN STARS card? ENOUGH SAID >>
what an idiotic post.
WOW.
Maybe you should add (2007) and (2008) to your signature pic.
How about my favorite Youtube video.
Kaz makes the Mets cry