Jose Canseco coming out with new book naming steroid users not mentioned in Mitchell report

Michigan

and not in his first book apparently. Scheduled for release on opening day 2008, should be another uproar especially if well known
players are implicated.

bigfische

This is my take on the second book. I doubt he would have held any names back from the first book if he had any good information about anyone else using roids. What if his first book bombed? he would have had to put just about everything he knew in the first book just to be sure he made some good coin for the sales of it. It doesnt make sense that he would have held on to some Arod (or any other persons) inside info. He would have to have risked it all that his first book would be succesful to be confident enough to leave huge names out. I know he was accurate in the first book, but then again it had to be. Im guessing if he does drop big names in this second book, it has to be new information that he didnt have before (and after outing people publically before, where would he be getting this new information? second hand sources?) or he will be linking names to steroids with weaker information.

Morgoth

Well my take is that

1. He is in the loop of steroid users and pushers.
2. His book was focused on the players he actually either injected or got to do the roids with him. His book was designed to actually get people to see that roids aren't all that bad. He was trying to win over people to his side. Saying that in 20 years doctors will be giving this stuff out like candy to cure many common disease and old age issues. He mentioned alot of players not out of spite but to show how he wasn't all that bad. He made alot of comments of how if Ben Grieve would have taken the roids he would have been an all star and how his group of friends were better players because of it.
3. He got further alienated from baseball due to his 1st book so now he is really mad. I agree this book has less credibility because instead of trying to justify himself he is on a seek and destroy mission.
4. Even though point 3 is valid, I bet he has enough contacts with the roid distribution network to know who was buying and using even if he didn't inject the guy himself. He might have talked to the drug sellers themselves, who knows but he was in the middle of this stuff and if he wanted to find out I would bet he could get the info.

rube26105

im surprised jose is not in the gvt witness protection program living in north pole or haiti,a whole loota people would love to pop his head right about now

perkdog

I dont even care anymore!

DeutscherGeist

Morgoth is right, Canseco tried to show how steroids were not the villain in his first book. He was not focusing so much on outing people, even though he did that too to a lesser extent.

Canseco has the insider view. He sees how incomplete the Mitchell report was with basically two trainers being relied upon for most of the information. So many people refused to cooperate with Mitchell, so a lot of valuable and corroborating information has been left undiscovered.

Canseco's book had some factual errors in it. One part was about him hitting a double in spring training. That never happened and I am surprised something so simple was not caught. The names revealed tended to be accurate even if minor details were not.

Canseco is a very popular man for blowing the whistle on MLB. His name is kept in our consciousness. I don't know about everyone else's opinion, but his cards are still collectible for the simple fact that he is a well known person right now and a revealer of truth. It also helps the fact that his 1986 Donruss rookie card was one of the most sought after cards in the 80s. People like to own it as a novelty, which in my opinion, is part of what collecting is all about.

Connecticoin

Canseco is total Pond Scum. He does not give a sh*t about the game or anybody but himself -- he must have run out of money from his first book.

Schilling's recent take on Canseco on his blog is a good read, and sums up my view of Mr. Pond Scum:

"As far a Jose goes, my opinion on what he’s done is, I guess, rather convoluted. On one hand Jose lied about every aspect of his professional career as a player. His entire career, all of it, is a sham. He never belonged in the big leagues and anything he ever did in the major leagues is a hoax. He made it clear that he would not have been the player he was had he not cheated. His statistics should be erased, his MVP given to the runner up and he should go down as the guy who broke the silence on a horrible period of the game, period. He was never in his life a major league player.

The problem I have, and the opinion I have, is based on the fact that he lied his entire career, every single day of it. He cheated his entire career, and lied about it. He spent his entire career on the record claiming he didn’t use PEDs, yet only when his life was in shambles and only when it served Jose Canseco the most, did he ‘come clean’. Only then did he become this bastion of truth and honesty. Is that not the scam of scams? He made his hundred million or so, and when he was no longer good enough to compete up here, only when cheating stopped being enough to keep him competitive, only then did he scream ‘blackballed” and vow to get his revenge. Only then did he tell the truth, or his version of the truth.

Which in the end gets us here. Say what you want about Jose, and there are things I disagree with and think he’s wrong about, but I have yet to find someone he’s named who’s NOT been guilty or tried to clear their name. The view I have on that is maybe a bit too simplistic but I look at it like this. If Jose had named me in his book, it would have taken about 20 minutes for me to issue a press release vehemently denying the allegations, which would have been as closely followed as possible by as large a legal action as I could have possibly taken to sue for slander, libel, defamation of character and anything else I’d have been able to legally do. It’s either that, or I’m guilty. There is no gray area here, you either did, or you didn’t and Jose, up through today, hasn’t called out anyone that’s sued his ass off for false representation, slander, libel or whatever you would do if someone said something like this about you, that you didn’t do.

So regardless of what you might think about him he has broken the flood gates on a topic that went unspoken on for far too long. The amount of damage done to the sport will be far reaching and I don’t know that we’ll ever truly know how bad it is until people a few generations from now are looking back on this era.

This past week he made a comment publicly that he was ’shocked’ that Alex Rodriguez was not mentioned in the Mitchell report? Based on what he has said and done he was clearly saying to me that he has personal knowledge of Alex as it relates to PED’s? How can he do that? Are we at a place where people are ok with names being thrown out this callously is ok? I hope like hell Alex stops anyone from mentioning his name as it relates to this and legally shuts up Jose from mentioning his name anymore as it relates to steroids or PEDs."

rube26105

thats why he should go hide

softparade

<< <i> I dont even care anymore! >>



and thankfully the majority as I see it DO CARE. The majority that can see past our own baseball watching lives who hope this hideous generation gets even more crucified 100 years from now. I am confident that the right thing to do will prevail. Item numero uno ...... good luck getting into the Hall Mark Mcgwire as I HOPE the less then 25% vote you got last year is just the beginning of black balling all of you. Yes, even all the cheating Yankees .....

1420sports

Say what you want about Jose, and there are things I disagree with and think he’s wrong about, but I have yet to find someone he’s named who’s NOT been guilty or tried to clear their name.

yeah, that is pretty much it so far

PROMETHIUS88

First off, I respect Schilling for what he has done in his 16+ years in the majors and he has always come across as a pretty stand up guy and obviously he doesn't codone the use of ped's in this artice. But I guess I'm just a little bothered by some of it. When Bonds was gettin close to breaking the record, a lot of the talk was ..."well, you still have to be a skilled athelete to be able to hit the ball maybe all it does is makes the ball go a little farther...but he's hitting em' way out anyway and most of them would be gone even if he didn't juice." To me, that sort of contradicts what Schilling feels about Canseco's talents. He had to have enough talent early on to even get noticed and the ball was just as small as the one that has been thrown to Bonds. Besides, we have to admit, although he was never the most graceful player, it was sure fun watching him hit some of the shots he did with the A's back in the 80's.
As much as some of us want to hate him, he may have done our national pastime a favor by bringing this problem into the spotlight. I'm pretty sure MLB and the MLBPA wasn't too worried about it...and they knew about it for sure...as the stands were being filled again and more revenue was going into everyone's pockets. As long as it wasn't an issue, they weren't going to rock the money boat. Also, how many young atheletes are "playing clean" now that might not be if the dangers had not been brought to our attention? It has probably saved many lives that we will never know about.
As far as the first book went, if you recall, there were going to be many more names released as well as the name of at least one gay player in baseball, but that wasn't what ended up on the bookshelves. Maybe he does have more first hand accounts and I'm interested to see what's in it. Besides, if it's like the first book, it won't be difficult reading and if my eyes get tired I can have my 5 y/o read it to me.

KalineFan

I already said, let's stop this nonsense this year-spring training
and the regular season!

Every single player is subject to URINE testing. It could be a night game, a day game,
in the middle of a game, on the airplane, in the airport, at home, at your hotel room,
every day, every other day, every week, 3 times a week, every 2 hours, landing in
the city you are playing in, home games, away games, during the season, during the
OFF-SEASON, while you are on vacation, WHILE YOU'RE IN THE ON-DECK CIRCLE!!!!!

Just so everyone can stop talking about it and they can REALLY find out who is and
who IS NOT doing roids. MAKE IT AS RANDOM AS POSSIBLE so the players never know
when they are going to be tested!

Tony

Bosox1976

I'd rather read about him boffing Madonna anyway.