<< <i>They haven't been since the small white slab days. >>
Which is, by odd coincidence, the same time JT first took over the "old" ANACS and moved them to Austin... >>
So JT was responsible for moving ANACS to Austin? I've always wondered who was the person who decided to move them from Ohio to Austin. So, it was James Taylor's idea. Is this correct?
<< <i>It sounds to me like Anderson Press is the one that dumped on their employees. They sold the brand name and equipment to Driving Force, and gave no warning to THEIR employees. >>
Well JT knew that ANACS was being purchased too and kept his mouth shut. Seems like both sides deliberately used the ANACS employees and then dumped em like AIDS infested lepers when neither side had any use for them. Sounds like JT mite a had a use for them or some of them if he couldn't have gotten the ICG people. >>
Why wouldn't JT keep his mouth shut ? In a business deal like this, you never disclose anything until the deal is done. Taylor bought the brand name and equipment - nothing else. From reading the Ellis letter, it sounds like Anderson Press basically skipped town without even saying goodbye. >>
HMMM, if he had let something slip and all the key people had up and left he coulda maybe got it even cheaper. The fact that all of the ICG folks would leave for a lot less $$$ sounds like things are on pretty shaky ground to me.
<< <i> HMMM, if he had let something slip and all the key people had up and left he coulda maybe got it even cheaper. The fact that all of the ICG folks would leave for a lot less $$$ sounds like things are on pretty shaky ground to me. >>
Maybe part of the deal with Anderson Press was that Taylor was not allowed to disclose the deal until a specific date ?
In general, the entire US economy is on shaky ground right now.
PS: If JP Martin and "most" of the ICG employees have moved over to ANACS, then ICG may be finished. But if ICG was going to just fold up, why wouldn't the ICG owners have sold to Taylor earlier when he offered to buy it ? Maybe Taylor could buy ICG now for cheap, if it is just a shell.
<< <i>They haven't been since the small white slab days. >>
Which is, by odd coincidence, the same time JT first took over the "old" ANACS and moved them to Austin... >>
So JT was responsible for moving ANACS to Austin? I've always wondered who was the person who decided to move them from Ohio to Austin. So, it was James Taylor's idea. Is this correct? Jerry >>
I don't know. But if Taylor had control over where ANACS moved to at that time, why wouldn't he have moved it to Colorado instead ?
<< Would this be a good summary of the "ANACS Story"?:
1. For the most part, the ex ICG graders are moving to ANACS (key except - Cameron).
2. For the most part, the ex ANACS graders are moving to ICG.
3. ANACS will now be doing much, much more TV stuff. Expect to possibly see a ton more "70" graded coins out of ANACS from here?
4. Plenty of hard work staffers may be out of a job or forced to relocate across the country possibly at reduced salaries. Very sad.
5. Other than that, business pretty much as usual and really no major impact on either of the "big 2".
Wondercoin >>
Response from DCARR -
That is one possible prediction of what may come to pass. In a few months we can look back and see how accurate this prediction is. But at this point, other than James Taylor, we have no idea which (if any) other ICG employees are actually moving to ANACS and vice-versa. As of December 19, JP Martin and Cameron Kiefer were working at the ICG offices. And the ICG web page still lists all the same graders they had previously.
DCARR - So, how far off was my previous prediction?
Wondercoin
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<< <i>ANACS making a business arrangement with HSN is no worse than PCGS making 9-11 WTC Recovery "Death" slabs, or NGC slabbing AU-58s as MS-61. The point is, ANACS doesn't slab their own coins. Their customers decide what is to be slabbed. Same with PCGS and NGC. If a TV entity (ANACS customer) sends thousands of Silver Eagles to ANACS and tells them to slab the ones that grade 70, there is nothing wrong with that - so long as proper grading standards are followed.
It sounds to me like Anderson Press is the one that dumped on their employees. They sold the brand name and equipment to Driving Force, and gave no warning to THEIR employees. >>
Six of one, a half dozen of another. Both parties are scumbags. Is there any part of that that you have trouble understanding???
“Our relocation to Austin has been carefully weighed,” said James Taylor, ANACS President. “We looked at a number of cities across the country and Austin emerged as number one. It’s a creative, vibrant area that will help us recruit the very best talent in the industry as ANACS continues to grow and expand.”
...
Taylor noted the attractions of Austin.
“Austin has an unbeatable pro-business climate,” he said, “and, besides being home to the University of Texas, it’s renowned for its high-tech industry, outdoor activities, and lively music scene.”
<< <i>They haven't been since the small white slab days. >>
Which is, by odd coincidence, the same time JT first took over the "old" ANACS and moved them to Austin... >>
So JT was responsible for moving ANACS to Austin? I've always wondered who was the person who decided to move them from Ohio to Austin. So, it was James Taylor's idea. Is this correct?
Jerry >>
Yes! One of the reasons was to get to a warmer climate. I guess icy Colorado is a warmer climate!!
<< <i>They haven't been since the small white slab days. >>
Which is, by odd coincidence, the same time JT first took over the "old" ANACS and moved them to Austin... >>
So JT was responsible for moving ANACS to Austin? I've always wondered who was the person who decided to move them from Ohio to Austin. So, it was James Taylor's idea. Is this correct? Jerry >>
I don't know. But if Taylor had control over where ANACS moved to at that time, why wouldn't he have moved it to Colorado instead ? >>
Exactly Dan. I've always thought that if JT had anything to do with where ANACS is located....all the way back to the move from Ohio....it would have been Colorado.
<< <i>They haven't been since the small white slab days. >>
Which is, by odd coincidence, the same time JT first took over the "old" ANACS and moved them to Austin... >>
So JT was responsible for moving ANACS to Austin? I've always wondered who was the person who decided to move them from Ohio to Austin. So, it was James Taylor's idea. Is this correct?
Jerry >>
Yes! One of the reasons was to get to a warmer climate. I guess icy Colorado is a warmer climate!! >>
It aint Austin, but I think that the Denver area is fairly temperate overall. Winter is more of a nuisance than a hardship.
<< <i><< Would this be a good summary of the "ANACS Story"?:
1. For the most part, the ex ICG graders are moving to ANACS (key except - Cameron).
2. For the most part, the ex ANACS graders are moving to ICG.
3. ANACS will now be doing much, much more TV stuff. Expect to possibly see a ton more "70" graded coins out of ANACS from here?
4. Plenty of hard work staffers may be out of a job or forced to relocate across the country possibly at reduced salaries. Very sad.
5. Other than that, business pretty much as usual and really no major impact on either of the "big 2".
Wondercoin >>
Response from DCARR -
That is one possible prediction of what may come to pass. In a few months we can look back and see how accurate this prediction is. But at this point, other than James Taylor, we have no idea which (if any) other ICG employees are actually moving to ANACS and vice-versa. As of December 19, JP Martin and Cameron Kiefer were working at the ICG offices. And the ICG web page still lists all the same graders they had previously.
DCARR - So, how far off was my previous prediction?
<< <i>3. ANACS will now be doing much, much more TV stuff. Expect to possibly see a ton more "70" graded coins out of ANACS from here? >>
I may be uninformed or not paying attention or just plain naive but I don't recall ever seeing a bunch of MS70's or PR70's coming out of ANACS. Especially of this magnitude.
At this point in time, its not looking real good for ANACS especially immeditately after its sale.
Not only that but these coins have not been released from the US Mint yet so how could HSN possibly know that there will be exactly 7,498 SAE's graded MS70 or 479 GAE's graded MS70?? I guess I could accept round numbers like 2,000 or 5,000 or even 6,000 but excatly 7,498?
Again, regardless or whether their grading standards could rise, would rise, or will rise, it looks like ANACS, either old or new, has contracted to supply HSN with 7,498 SAE's graded MS70 and at least 497 GAE's graded MS70
and
57 complete Gold Eagle sets graded at MS70.
Just doesn't smell right for a top of the line TPG.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>I may be uninformed or not paying attention or just plain naive but I don't recall ever seeing a bunch of MS70's or PR70's coming out of ANACS. Especially of this magnitude >>
Well I think most figger the new ANACS might spill em out like smoke belchin out of a diesel 18 wheeler.
<< <i>I always thought ICG was shorthand for "It Could go Seventy". >>
Who's the sportscaster who likes to say "HE!" "COULD!" "GO!" "ALL!" "THE!" "WAY!!!!!!" ?
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
<< <i>I may be uninformed or not paying attention or just plain naive but I don't recall ever seeing a bunch of MS70's or PR70's coming out of ANACS. Especially of this magnitude >>
Well I think most figger the new ANACS might spill em out like smoke belchin out of a diesel 18 wheeler. >>
Kinda looks that way at this point in time! I mean, they haven't even set up shop yet and there's already gonna be 7,498 MS70 SAE's out there!
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Meteorogically speaking, Colorado has a much better climate than Ohio. I grew up in Michigan, and moved from Sidney to Colorado Springs in November of 1978. Though there were a few bad storms that year, I mentioned in the breakroom the next Fall that I thought that the previous Winter was the easiest Winter I had ever seen in my life. ANA Treasurer Bill Henderson became quite agitated and said that he had lived there since 1933, and thought it was the worst Winter he had ever seen in his life. I told him it was all relative. TD
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
<< <i>Meteorogically speaking, Colorado has a much better climate than Ohio. I grew up in Michigan, and moved from Sidney to Colorado Springs in November of 1978. Though there were a few bad storms that year, I mentioned in the breakroom the next Fall that I thought that the previous Winter was the easiest Winter I had ever seen in my life. ANA Treasurer Bill Henderson became quite agitated and said that he had lived there since 1933, and thought it was the worst Winter he had ever seen in his life. I told him it was all relative. TD >>
And Colorado Springs is little bit higher (altitude) than Denver and has a slightly harsher climate. Colorado Springs is known for hail storms in the Spring and Summer - formed in the wake of that big 14,000 mountain just west of town.
<< <i>Meteorogically speaking, Colorado has a much better climate than Ohio. I grew up in Michigan, and moved from Sidney to Colorado Springs in November of 1978. Though there were a few bad storms that year, I mentioned in the breakroom the next Fall that I thought that the previous Winter was the easiest Winter I had ever seen in my life. ANA Treasurer Bill Henderson became quite agitated and said that he had lived there since 1933, and thought it was the worst Winter he had ever seen in his life. I told him it was all relative. TD >>
And Colorado Springs is little bit higher (altitude) than Denver and has a slightly harsher climate. Colorado Springs is known for hail storms in the Spring and Summer - formed in the wake of that big 14,000 mountain just west of town. >>
That is true. One year when I was downtown parked underground at the Atlers Hotel for a BofG meeting, a hail storm swept through the ANA's parking lot with the proverbial baseball-sized hail. Rick Montgomery was about 20 at the time, and when we got back he saw that his nice, shiny Firebird looked like it had been hit with a baseball bat 1,000 times. All of the glass was broken, including sideview mirror.
After he got a settlement offer from his insurance company, he asked me if he should get it fixed or get a new one. I told him he would never feel the same way about that car again, so go get a new one. He brightened up and said "You're right!" and did.
This only happens about every five years. I never did get caught, as the next big one came about a month after I left town.
TD
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
<< <i>They may have died as far as the serious numismatist goes but I have a feeling they will realize a significant increase in revenues as a result of this venture with HSN. HSN reaches millions of people daily who are not even close to being coin "collectors" but will buy shiny baubles based on the marketing they watch on TV. A bright new shiny "rare silver dollar" for little Johnny's birthday from Grandma is the buyer they will attract and they will attract them in hordes I suspect.
It will be interesting as time goes on to see how many of these coins come into the shops of you dealers with storefront operations as little Johnny decides he wants to buy a new video game and tries to sell his "rare coin" >>
I can see it now ;
Yes Johnny, your Grandmother was correct, this is a very valuable Coin. Here's $18.00 - now run along.
<< <i>2)The quick and immediate union with HSN, no way that wasn't planned out well in advance and no doubt it included shafting current employees at the expense of the almighty dollar. They could have been given plenty of warning as well as a meager severance package which would have gone miles towards their image. That's worth a score of slimy, skanky and shabby minus 7. >>
I could care less where ANAC's or ICG lands after this is all over. The above statement, if true and I have seen nothing yet that says it is not true, bothers me the most. It's like this whole scenario came out of a smoke filled back room someplace with no regard for the people involved. Only the immediate principals seem to have gotten what they wanted. I hope someone proves this wrong.
"Well here's another nice mess you have gotten me into" Oliver Hardy 1930
<< <i>Is the new ANACS/ICG sinking to the bottom and playing to the bottom feeders? Are they going to be "surpassed" by, say, SEGS now? >>
Most moderns grade 70 by ANA standards. Of course, you can manipulate the market by having a quota system, just like OPEC. Why the slam against SEGS? They have given fewer 70s than ANYONE.
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
<< <i>HSN reaches millions of people daily who are not even close to being coin "collectors" but will buy shiny baubles based on the marketing they watch on TV. A bright new shiny "rare silver dollar" for little Johnny's birthday from Grandma is the buyer they will attract and they will attract them in hordes I suspect.
It will be interesting as time goes on to see how many of these coins come into the shops of you dealers with storefront operations as little Johnny decides he wants to buy a new video game and tries to sell his "rare coin" >>
How sophisticated are the collectors who think a 2003 penny in an MS70 slab is worth $10,000 because of the "marketing'?
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
<< <i>Most moderns grade 70 by ANA standards. Of course, you can manipulate the market by having a quota system, just like OPEC. Why the slam against SEGS? They have given fewer 70s than ANYONE. >>
It's not a slam. Most people seem to put SEGS a bit below ANACS and ICG currently, and I was suspecting this might put them *over* ANACS and ICG and potentially into the #3 slot behind PCGS and NGC.
I singled them out be cause I think SEGS is the only other TPG beyond the traditional "Big Four" that I think deserves some credibility today and who is clearly above the "bottom feeders," especially with PCI's liquidation.
That's a slam? I intended it to mean that they have an opening to become a little more respected and nudge themselves a little closer to the top of the food chain. I have a lot of respect for Larry Briggs.
I've been in the business since 1978. I graded at PCGS, and I was a Finalizer at NGC for 8.5 years. When I think of the top ten graders in the world, JP doesn't even come to mind. In fact, if I thought of the top 100 graders in the world, he would not come to mind. Now on he other hand, if they had said top AUTHENTICATORS, I would say he is probably #2, behind Rick Montgomery. My two cents. No offense intended to JP he seems like a fine guy.
John Maben
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ANA LM, PNG, APMD, FUN, Etc
800-381-2646
<< <i>I've been in the business since 1978. I graded at PCGS, and I was a Finalizer at NGC for 8.5 years. When I think of the top ten graders in the world, JP doesn't even come to mind. In fact, if I thought of the top 100 graders in the world, he would not come to mind. Now on he other hand, if they had said top AUTHENTICATORS, I would say he is probably #2, behind Rick Montgomery. My two cents. No offense intended to JP he seems like a fine guy. >>
I'm glad to hear you say this, because it pretty much validates my personal feelings on the matter. I've never worked for a TPG and haven't worked in the industry (yet), but I've always associated J.P. with being among best-in-class for authentication and not so much with grading.
I don't intend to diminish his grading skills, but I don't think of him as a grading expert so much as an expert for authenticating coins. He's a respected name in the business and with good reason, but the reason isn't so much for grading as for being a top-notch authenticator.
IMO, no one can be a top notch grader of all U.S. Coins without having first bought and sold tens of millions of dollars worth of all different types of coins commercially as just ONE of the necessary components. All the books and seminars in the world can't replace real life experience.
John Maben
Pegasus Coin and Jewelry (Brick and Mortar)
ANA LM, PNG, APMD, FUN, Etc
800-381-2646
I just caught the late night HSN spiel about the Eagles, I must say after having followed the events over the last few days on the forum, its really disgusting how they stare at you on the screen and talk about the importance of grading and value....values? Didn't catch the intro, but the guy (the specialist) talked of how the poor old widow (or whatever) walked into a coin shop with an old bust half and the dealer told her it was worth only $20-$30 when it fact it was later noted to be a new variety that he (the expert thought would fetch $60K or more)- and all of this had what to do in relation to the first day of issue MS70 Anacs Eagles? ....???? The importance of getting them slabbed... when will it end... these aren't even coins to me, never thought of owning one, never will- their Bullion, with a capital B, thats what the concept was, thats what they will remain to collectors, I would expect nothing less of one to be MS70, but really don't care. And knowing how ANACS, Whitman or whomever treated their former employees over Christmas really leaves a bad taste in one's mouth, I hope others spread the info at as many coin shows and to the novice collectors that buy off the TV's shows as they can, I know I will remember too.
<< <i>Folks might not like the ANACS-HSN relationship, but it certainly would appear that it would funnel revenue toward ANACS and might keep them afloat. >>
As long as they award lots of 70s that HSN needs to be profitable.
It's hard to take that slab seriously. It's worse than the Satin Finish one by another TPG.
I was talking to some of the former employees of ANACS (Austin) and they said that Whitman, the former owners of ANACS, was unwilling to do any kind of serverance, but James Taylor did cut some severance checks to try to help those who lost their jobs.
It's also funny, how everyone is dumping on the grading staff of ANACS (Englewood), but when you think fondly of those old green holders and the grading they contained do you remember that Michael Fahey was the Senior Numismatist during those years?
The modern (bulk) service is a money maker, plain and simple. PCGS and NGC have been moving bulk coins for years.
I know that the ANACS (Englewood) graders are screening thousands of coins for the HSN shows. So there is a screening process involved.
Personally I don't think much will change for the vintage coins graded by ANACS. They have a great staff of graders, with JP and Michael Fahey anchoring the team and John Roberts on Attributions.
*shrugs*
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Comments
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... there is also no question that the deal Taylor made with HSN is the last nail in the coffin for ANACS as a legitimate grading service.
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What if the ANACS grading standards are on par with NGC and PCGS ?
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... there is also no question that the deal Taylor made with HSN is the last nail in the coffin for ANACS as a legitimate grading service.
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What if the ANACS grading standards are on par with NGC and PCGS ? >>
They haven't been since the small white slab days. What makes you think they suddenly will be now?
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>They haven't been since the small white slab days. >>
Which is, by odd coincidence, the same time JT first took over the "old" ANACS and moved them to Austin...
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<< <i>They haven't been since the small white slab days. >>
Which is, by odd coincidence, the same time JT first took over the "old" ANACS and moved them to Austin... >>
So JT was responsible for moving ANACS to Austin? I've always wondered who was the person who decided to move them
from Ohio to Austin. So, it was James Taylor's idea. Is this correct?
Jerry
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<< <i>
<< <i>It sounds to me like Anderson Press is the one that dumped on their employees. They sold the brand name and equipment to Driving Force, and gave no warning to THEIR employees. >>
Well JT knew that ANACS was being purchased too and kept his mouth shut. Seems like both sides deliberately used the ANACS employees and then dumped em like AIDS infested lepers when neither side had any use for them. Sounds like JT mite a had a use for them or some of them if he couldn't have gotten the ICG people. >>
Why wouldn't JT keep his mouth shut ? In a business deal like this, you never disclose anything until the deal is done. Taylor bought the brand name and equipment - nothing else. From reading the Ellis letter, it sounds like Anderson Press basically skipped town without even saying goodbye. >>
HMMM, if he had let something slip and all the key people had up and left he coulda maybe got it even cheaper. The fact that all of the ICG folks would leave for a lot less $$$ sounds like things are on pretty shaky ground to me.
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<< <i><<
... there is also no question that the deal Taylor made with HSN is the last nail in the coffin for ANACS as a legitimate grading service.
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What if the ANACS grading standards are on par with NGC and PCGS ? >>
They haven't been since the small white slab days. What makes you think they suddenly will be now?
Russ, NCNE >>
We'll have to wait and see. ANACS has a new office, new management, and new graders. Things change, and sometimes "suddenly".
<< <i>
HMMM, if he had let something slip and all the key people had up and left he coulda maybe got it even cheaper. The fact that all of the ICG folks would leave for a lot less $$$ sounds like things are on pretty shaky ground to me. >>
Maybe part of the deal with Anderson Press was that Taylor was not allowed to disclose the deal until a specific date ?
In general, the entire US economy is on shaky ground right now.
PS:
If JP Martin and "most" of the ICG employees have moved over to ANACS, then ICG may be finished. But if ICG was going to just fold up, why wouldn't the ICG owners have sold to Taylor earlier when he offered to buy it ? Maybe Taylor could buy ICG now for cheap, if it is just a shell.
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<< <i>They haven't been since the small white slab days. >>
Which is, by odd coincidence, the same time JT first took over the "old" ANACS and moved them to Austin... >>
So JT was responsible for moving ANACS to Austin? I've always wondered who was the person who decided to move them
from Ohio to Austin. So, it was James Taylor's idea. Is this correct?
Jerry >>
I don't know. But if Taylor had control over where ANACS moved to at that time, why wouldn't he have moved it to Colorado instead ?
1. For the most part, the ex ICG graders are moving to ANACS (key except - Cameron).
2. For the most part, the ex ANACS graders are moving to ICG.
3. ANACS will now be doing much, much more TV stuff. Expect to possibly see a ton more "70" graded coins out of ANACS from here?
4. Plenty of hard work staffers may be out of a job or forced to relocate across the country possibly at reduced salaries. Very sad.
5. Other than that, business pretty much as usual and really no major impact on either of the "big 2".
Wondercoin >>
Response from DCARR -
That is one possible prediction of what may come to pass. In a few months we can look back and see how accurate this prediction is. But at this point, other than James Taylor, we have no idea which (if any) other ICG employees are actually moving to ANACS and vice-versa. As of December 19, JP Martin and Cameron Kiefer were working at the ICG offices. And the ICG web page still lists all the same graders they had previously.
DCARR - So, how far off was my previous prediction?
Wondercoin
<< <i>ANACS making a business arrangement with HSN is no worse than PCGS making 9-11 WTC Recovery "Death" slabs, or NGC slabbing AU-58s as MS-61. The point is, ANACS doesn't slab their own coins. Their customers decide what is to be slabbed. Same with PCGS and NGC. If a TV entity (ANACS customer) sends thousands of Silver Eagles to ANACS and tells them to slab the ones that grade 70, there is nothing wrong with that - so long as proper grading standards are followed.
It sounds to me like Anderson Press is the one that dumped on their employees. They sold the brand name and equipment to Driving Force, and gave no warning to THEIR employees. >>
Six of one, a half dozen of another. Both parties are scumbags. Is there any part of that that you have trouble understanding???
<< <i>I don't know. But if Taylor had control over where ANACS moved to at that time, why wouldn't he have moved it to Colorado instead ? >>
ANACS stakes claim in Austin
“Our relocation to Austin has been carefully weighed,” said James Taylor, ANACS President. “We looked at a number of cities across the country and Austin emerged as number one. It’s a creative, vibrant area that will help us recruit the very best talent in the industry as ANACS continues to grow and expand.”
...
Taylor noted the attractions of Austin.
“Austin has an unbeatable pro-business climate,” he said, “and, besides being home to the University of Texas, it’s renowned for its high-tech industry, outdoor activities, and lively music scene.”
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<< <i>They haven't been since the small white slab days. >>
Which is, by odd coincidence, the same time JT first took over the "old" ANACS and moved them to Austin... >>
So JT was responsible for moving ANACS to Austin? I've always wondered who was the person who decided to move them
from Ohio to Austin. So, it was James Taylor's idea. Is this correct?
Jerry >>
Yes! One of the reasons was to get to a warmer climate. I guess icy Colorado is a warmer climate!!
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<< <i>
<< <i>They haven't been since the small white slab days. >>
Which is, by odd coincidence, the same time JT first took over the "old" ANACS and moved them to Austin... >>
So JT was responsible for moving ANACS to Austin? I've always wondered who was the person who decided to move them
from Ohio to Austin. So, it was James Taylor's idea. Is this correct?
Jerry >>
I don't know. But if Taylor had control over where ANACS moved to at that time, why wouldn't he have moved it to Colorado instead ? >>
Exactly Dan. I've always thought that if JT had anything to do with where ANACS is located....all the way back to the move
from Ohio....it would have been Colorado.
Jerry
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>They haven't been since the small white slab days. >>
Which is, by odd coincidence, the same time JT first took over the "old" ANACS and moved them to Austin... >>
So JT was responsible for moving ANACS to Austin? I've always wondered who was the person who decided to move them
from Ohio to Austin. So, it was James Taylor's idea. Is this correct?
Jerry >>
Yes! One of the reasons was to get to a warmer climate. I guess icy Colorado is a warmer climate!!
It aint Austin, but I think that the Denver area is fairly temperate overall. Winter is more of a nuisance than a hardship.
<< <i>
Yes! One of the reasons was to get to a warmer climate. I guess icy Colorado is a warmer climate!!
On average, the Denver area is a bit warmer than Ohio in the winter, and has a lower heat index than Ohio in the summer.
<< <i><< Would this be a good summary of the "ANACS Story"?:
1. For the most part, the ex ICG graders are moving to ANACS (key except - Cameron).
2. For the most part, the ex ANACS graders are moving to ICG.
3. ANACS will now be doing much, much more TV stuff. Expect to possibly see a ton more "70" graded coins out of ANACS from here?
4. Plenty of hard work staffers may be out of a job or forced to relocate across the country possibly at reduced salaries. Very sad.
5. Other than that, business pretty much as usual and really no major impact on either of the "big 2".
Wondercoin >>
Response from DCARR -
That is one possible prediction of what may come to pass. In a few months we can look back and see how accurate this prediction is. But at this point, other than James Taylor, we have no idea which (if any) other ICG employees are actually moving to ANACS and vice-versa. As of December 19, JP Martin and Cameron Kiefer were working at the ICG offices. And the ICG web page still lists all the same graders they had previously.
DCARR - So, how far off was my previous prediction?
Wondercoin >>
Not far, apparently.
<< <i>3. ANACS will now be doing much, much more TV stuff. Expect to possibly see a ton more "70" graded coins out of ANACS from here? >>
I may be uninformed or not paying attention or just plain naive but I don't recall ever seeing a bunch of MS70's or PR70's coming out of ANACS. Especially of this magnitude.
At this point in time, its not looking real good for ANACS especially immeditately after its sale.
Not only that but these coins have not been released from the US Mint yet so how could HSN possibly know that there will be exactly 7,498 SAE's graded MS70 or 479 GAE's graded MS70?? I guess I could accept round numbers like 2,000 or 5,000 or even 6,000 but excatly 7,498?
Again, regardless or whether their grading standards could rise, would rise, or will rise, it looks like ANACS, either old or new, has contracted to supply HSN with 7,498 SAE's graded MS70 and at least 497 GAE's graded MS70
and
57 complete Gold Eagle sets graded at MS70.
Just doesn't smell right for a top of the line TPG.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>I may be uninformed or not paying attention or just plain naive but I don't recall ever seeing a bunch of MS70's or PR70's coming out of ANACS. Especially of this magnitude >>
Well I think most figger the new ANACS might spill em out like smoke belchin out of a diesel 18 wheeler.
<< <i>I always thought ICG was shorthand for "It Could go Seventy". >>
Who's the sportscaster who likes to say
"HE!"
"COULD!"
"GO!"
"ALL!"
"THE!"
"WAY!!!!!!"
?
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<< <i>I may be uninformed or not paying attention or just plain naive but I don't recall ever seeing a bunch of MS70's or PR70's coming out of ANACS. Especially of this magnitude >>
Well I think most figger the new ANACS might spill em out like smoke belchin out of a diesel 18 wheeler. >>
Kinda looks that way at this point in time! I mean, they haven't even set up shop yet and there's already gonna be 7,498 MS70 SAE's out there!
The name is LEE!
TD
<< <i>Meteorogically speaking, Colorado has a much better climate than Ohio. I grew up in Michigan, and moved from Sidney to Colorado Springs in November of 1978. Though there were a few bad storms that year, I mentioned in the breakroom the next Fall that I thought that the previous Winter was the easiest Winter I had ever seen in my life. ANA Treasurer Bill Henderson became quite agitated and said that he had lived there since 1933, and thought it was the worst Winter he had ever seen in his life. I told him it was all relative.
TD >>
And Colorado Springs is little bit higher (altitude) than Denver and has a slightly harsher climate.
Colorado Springs is known for hail storms in the Spring and Summer - formed in the wake of that big 14,000 mountain just west of town.
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<< <i>Meteorogically speaking, Colorado has a much better climate than Ohio. I grew up in Michigan, and moved from Sidney to Colorado Springs in November of 1978. Though there were a few bad storms that year, I mentioned in the breakroom the next Fall that I thought that the previous Winter was the easiest Winter I had ever seen in my life. ANA Treasurer Bill Henderson became quite agitated and said that he had lived there since 1933, and thought it was the worst Winter he had ever seen in his life. I told him it was all relative.
TD >>
And Colorado Springs is little bit higher (altitude) than Denver and has a slightly harsher climate.
Colorado Springs is known for hail storms in the Spring and Summer - formed in the wake of that big 14,000 mountain just west of town. >>
That is true. One year when I was downtown parked underground at the Atlers Hotel for a BofG meeting, a hail storm swept through the ANA's parking lot with the proverbial baseball-sized hail. Rick Montgomery was about 20 at the time, and when we got back he saw that his nice, shiny Firebird looked like it had been hit with a baseball bat 1,000 times. All of the glass was broken, including sideview mirror.
After he got a settlement offer from his insurance company, he asked me if he should get it fixed or get a new one. I told him he would never feel the same way about that car again, so go get a new one. He brightened up and said "You're right!" and did.
This only happens about every five years. I never did get caught, as the next big one came about a month after I left town.
TD
<< <i>They may have died as far as the serious numismatist goes but I have a feeling they will realize a significant increase in revenues as a result of this venture with HSN. HSN reaches millions of people daily who are not even close to being coin "collectors" but will buy shiny baubles based on the marketing they watch on TV. A bright new shiny "rare silver dollar" for little Johnny's birthday from Grandma is the buyer they will attract and they will attract them in hordes I suspect.
It will be interesting as time goes on to see how many of these coins come into the shops of you dealers with storefront operations as little Johnny decides he wants to buy a new video game and tries to sell his "rare coin" >>
I can see it now ;
Yes Johnny, your Grandmother was correct, this is a very valuable Coin. Here's $18.00 - now run along.
<< <i>2)The quick and immediate union with HSN, no way that wasn't planned out well in advance and no doubt it included shafting current employees at the expense of the almighty dollar. They could have been given plenty of warning as well as a meager severance package which would have gone miles towards their image. That's worth a score of slimy, skanky and shabby minus 7. >>
I could care less where ANAC's or ICG lands after this is all over. The above statement, if true and I have seen nothing yet that says it is not true, bothers me the most. It's like this whole scenario came out of a smoke filled back room someplace with no regard for the people involved. Only the immediate principals seem to have gotten what they wanted. I hope someone proves this wrong.
BST successful dealings with:MsMorrisine, goldman86
<< <i>Is the new ANACS/ICG sinking to the bottom and playing to the bottom feeders? Are they going to be "surpassed" by, say, SEGS now? >>
Most moderns grade 70 by ANA standards. Of course, you can manipulate the market by having a quota system, just like OPEC. Why the slam against SEGS? They have given fewer 70s than ANYONE.
<< <i>HSN reaches millions of people daily who are not even close to being coin "collectors" but will buy shiny baubles based on the marketing they watch on TV. A bright new shiny "rare silver dollar" for little Johnny's birthday from Grandma is the buyer they will attract and they will attract them in hordes I suspect.
It will be interesting as time goes on to see how many of these coins come into the shops of you dealers with storefront operations as little Johnny decides he wants to buy a new video game and tries to sell his "rare coin" >>
How sophisticated are the collectors who think a 2003 penny in an MS70 slab is worth $10,000 because of the "marketing'?
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What if the ANACS grading standards are on par with NGC and PCGS ? >>
That would be sad. I have never seen an AU58 coin slabbed as MS62 by ANACS.
<< <i>Most moderns grade 70 by ANA standards. Of course, you can manipulate the market by having a quota system, just like OPEC. Why the slam against SEGS? They have given fewer 70s than ANYONE. >>
It's not a slam. Most people seem to put SEGS a bit below ANACS and ICG currently, and I was suspecting this might put them *over* ANACS and ICG and potentially into the #3 slot behind PCGS and NGC.
I singled them out be cause I think SEGS is the only other TPG beyond the traditional "Big Four" that I think deserves some credibility today and who is clearly above the "bottom feeders," especially with PCI's liquidation.
That's a slam? I intended it to mean that they have an opening to become a little more respected and nudge themselves a little closer to the top of the food chain. I have a lot of respect for Larry Briggs.
John Maben
Pegasus Coin and Jewelry (Brick and Mortar)
ANA LM, PNG, APMD, FUN, Etc
800-381-2646
<< <i>I've been in the business since 1978. I graded at PCGS, and I was a Finalizer at NGC for 8.5 years. When I think of the top ten graders in the world, JP doesn't even come to mind. In fact, if I thought of the top 100 graders in the world, he would not come to mind. Now on he other hand, if they had said top AUTHENTICATORS, I would say he is probably #2, behind Rick Montgomery. My two cents. No offense intended to JP he seems like a fine guy. >>
I'm glad to hear you say this, because it pretty much validates my personal feelings on the matter. I've never worked for a TPG and haven't worked in the industry (yet), but I've always associated J.P. with being among best-in-class for authentication and not so much with grading.
I don't intend to diminish his grading skills, but I don't think of him as a grading expert so much as an expert for authenticating coins. He's a respected name in the business and with good reason, but the reason isn't so much for grading as for being a top-notch authenticator.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
John Maben
Pegasus Coin and Jewelry (Brick and Mortar)
ANA LM, PNG, APMD, FUN, Etc
800-381-2646
<< <i>All the books and seminars in the world can't replace real life experience. >>
That's so true. Not just in coins either.
stay tuned
<< <i>So far all I have seen on these boards is total silly heresay, rumors, and I am having quite a giggle laughing at most of the posts....
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From the dictionary Hearsay :
<< <i>1. unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge >>
Couldn't resist it!
But if you want some entertainment, just watch the HSN for no doubt more of their ANACS specials.
<< <i>Folks might not like the ANACS-HSN relationship, but it certainly would appear that it would funnel revenue toward ANACS and might keep them afloat. >>
As long as they award lots of 70s that HSN needs to be profitable.
It's hard to take that slab seriously. It's worse than the Satin Finish one by another TPG.
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It's also funny, how everyone is dumping on the grading staff of ANACS (Englewood), but when you think fondly of those old green holders and the grading they contained do you remember that Michael Fahey was the Senior Numismatist during those years?
The modern (bulk) service is a money maker, plain and simple. PCGS and NGC have been moving bulk coins for years.
I know that the ANACS (Englewood) graders are screening thousands of coins for the HSN shows. So there is a screening process involved.
Personally I don't think much will change for the vintage coins graded by ANACS. They have a great staff of graders, with JP and Michael Fahey anchoring the team and John Roberts on Attributions.
*shrugs*
Love me some hobo nickels!