(LARGE PICS) New Pics of 1/6th 1784 Thaler "Wildman"

ASUtodd

I took some new pics of the Wildman I got on Christmas Eve. Reason for the pics is so that you guys can help me figure out what is going on with the letter around the edges of the coin. I know that the procedures for making coins weren't the best back in the 1700's so I'm not sure if our current phrases, such as: double die, die clash, restrike; will apply here. Regardless the letter looks as if they took a coin and then struck this one on top of it, maybe a double die, maybe a die clash... I know that I don't know. When looking at the obverse start at the 5 o'clock on over to around the 8 o'clock position (when I say 5 to 8 I mean in relation to the pic not the coin). On the reverse start at around the 9 o'clock to the 1 o'clock position of the picture. Anyone want to take a guess?? I'll work on my pic taking skills but for now this is what I have to work with! Sure hope this isn't a fake that I got ripped on......Thanks!
P.S. Disregard the dog hairs in the pic, stupid beagles!
Todd

CIVITAS

Todd,

Looks like your coin was double struck. The flan rotated about 60 degrees between strikes.

Pretty neat. Nice grade too.

ASUtodd

I wasn't sure about the double struck at first because the letters in the background seem to be larger than the actual letters. I do think that this coin is in great shape and I have thought about having it graded.... Any thoughts on that?
Todd

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>I wasn't sure about the double struck at first because the letters in the background seem to be larger than the actual letters. >>



They were squished by the second strike

CIVITAS

Hard to say for sure. Doesn't look like there's much wear, just a bit of a weak strike. I'm sure the services would put this somewhere between EF and high AU.

ASUtodd

In looking at the "wildmans" produced during this time, I can't find a 1/6th that looks like this one. The only one I could find was here Link. The 1/6th here has some different lettering on it, but the 1/24th has the same type of lettering and initials but is a 1/24th.... Any ideas?? I've racked my brain and the internet trying to find what "exactly" this coin is.
Todd

ASUtodd

I posted these pics on another forum and someone brought up the raised bumps on the surface of the coin. Their opinion is that the coin is a fake.... Any thoughts on this one. Looking at in hand it sure does look legit.... I find it hard to believe someone would take the time to replicate a rather inexpensive coin...
Todd

lordmarcovan

Wow, those really ARE big pix!

Raised bumps, usually indicative of a cast coin, would indeed be a potential red flag for a fake.

I can see why somebody might suspect it, but I think it looks okay to me. Mind you, I am no specialist in these, but this one looks all right, and appears to be a pretty nice example. Maybe the hugely-magnified pictures and the lighting put somebody off.

Surely I wouldn't think a smaller-denomination minor coin like a 1/6 thaler would be as commonly faked as the bigger thalers and multiple thalers?