<< <i>I count 36 coins not 34 in the 2009 mint set.
Ren >>
Let's see....... Eight cents Two nickels Two dimes, Twelve quarters, Two halves, Two Sacagaweas with the new reverse, Eight Presidents. Should be 36 unless I missed one. TD
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<< As to the Indian designs, is it four a year plus Sacagawea or one a year? >>
According to the mint, only one, including Sacagawea:
"The obverse design each year will remain the central figure of the “Sacagawea” design first produced in 2000, and contain the inscription “Liberty.” The reverse design will change each year [...].
"In general, five distinct $1 coins will be issued each year -- four Presidential $1 Coins and one Native American $1 Coin."
8 cents :4 designs P mint D mint. 2 nickels: P mint, D mint. 2 Dimes: P mint, D mint. 12 Quarters: 6 territories & DC, P mint, D mint. 2 Half Dollars: P mint, D mint. 8 Presidential Dollars: 4 designs, P mint, D mint. 2 Sacagawea/Changing Reverse Dollars: 1 design, P mint, D mint.
<< I count 36 coins not 34 [or 42] in the 2009 mint set. >>
Good read by our friend Dave Harper at NN.............................
December 29, 2007 Label will be argued about for many years By David C. Harper
What’s in a name? In my business and most others, marketing matters. Names matter. You don’t give your best idea an unappealing name, nor do you assign the most unpopular person on staff the task of introducing your valuable new idea to upper management. Individuals who already have a good rapport with the bosses have a better shot at getting something approved. That is human nature.
Such is the case with the decision by Congress to approve commemorative quarter designs for the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands, the Northern Marianas and American Samoa.
I think it was a good idea with bad marketing. Ever since the legislation was passed for the 10-year 50-state quarter program, a promise had been made by its primary author and supporter, Rep. Michael Castle, R-Del., for a companion piece of legislation for the other six geographical areas.
It got dubbed early on as an extension of the 50-states program. That is unfortunate, because as many hobbyists note, none of these six areas is a state. They are associated with the United States in other ways, and they are American through and through, but they are not states.
On that basis, it is silly to call the new quarters an extension of the 50-states program. That doesn’t mean the coins shouldn’t be issued, though.
The quickest way to get everybody to understand what was being proposed was to call the program an extension. Congress fears what it doesn’t know and what it might not understand. This stems from so much legislation being passed without being read by our elected representatives. With this in mind, what better way is there to describe the program than as an extension? I can hear words:
“It’s just a simple extension of the 50- states quarter program. You know how successful that is.”
But bad labels can haunt and the obvious logic that territories are not states has bedeviled those who advocated honoring the District and the five territories.
It would be far better to think of them in separate and distinct packages. There is the 10-year, 50-states quarter program with all of the hoopla that such an undertaking can generate and there is a one-year program following to honor six other geographical areas that are American and share our history. However, human nature doesn’t allow that distinction to be made.
History, even numismatic history, will record the six-coin program as an extension of the 50-states program. A half century from now that time period’s Dave Harper or David Ganz will cluck knowingly about territories not being states. Readers will roll their eyes. How could the people of 2007 been so dumb or blind or careless? Letters to the editor will be written. There will be endless debates.
Perhaps one of the six additions will turn into the key to the series, much like the 1908-S or 1909-S Indian Head cents. Then the collector discussion will turn to lamenting the fact that those future collectors who were not actively collecting in 2009 missed the chance to obtain them and thereby get in on the ground floor with the new issues. That would be the worst part of it for them.
I tend to agree with David Harper. I also share the same experience as the OP with regards to US Servicemen and their homelands. I served on a platoon with one each from Guam, Peurto Rico and Samoa. It seems that some who have posted on this thread take umbrage to the 6 commonwealths and territories as something less than their personal homeland locations, which have achieved statehood. Fact is these lands were occupied by aboriginals who knew nothing of the concept of European imperial boundries before our European settlers established themselves here. Another fact is that all of the territorial boundries so established by the North American colonists were various tracts that at one time belonged to France, Great Britain, Purtugal, Spain and others before the Revolutionary War.
I think that the Statehood Quarters program recognizes those early colonies, territories and land purchases that made it to U.S. Statehood and celebrates that accomplishment.
But as the OP opined, many Puerto Ricans and otther [non-statehood denizen] Americans have distinguished themselves by serving the U.S. Armed Services inspite of their lack of statehood. I would even go further to state that per capita Guam, Peurto Rico & Samoa are represented far more in the U.S. Military than people from most States.
I think the "extension" or recognition of D.C. and the territories in the Quarter program does not diminish the 50 states already recoginized. They may not be "states" but they are American just the same as you or I and the deserve recoginition.
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<< <i>But as the OP opined, many Puerto Ricans and otther [non-statehood denizen] Americans have distinguished themselves by serving the U.S. Armed Services inspite of their lack of statehood. I would even go further to state that per capita Guam, Peurto Rico & Samoa are represented far more in the U.S. Military than people from most States. >>
True, but does this reflect patriotism or a lack of employment opportunities at home?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Comments
<< <i>It's official the The 50 State Quarters® Program will end in 2008. The new program for 2009 is named The District of Columbia and United States Territories Quarter Program >>
That is good news. I will place them in the same category as the new dollar coins (ie: not collected by me)
Ren
<< <i>I count 36 coins not 34 in the 2009 mint set.
Ren >>
Let's see.......
Eight cents
Two nickels
Two dimes,
Twelve quarters,
Two halves,
Two Sacagaweas with the new reverse,
Eight Presidents.
Should be 36 unless I missed one.
TD
According to the mint, only one, including Sacagawea:
"The obverse design each year will remain the central figure of the “Sacagawea” design first produced in 2000, and contain the inscription “Liberty.” The reverse design will change each year [...].
"In general, five distinct $1 coins will be issued each year -- four Presidential $1 Coins and one Native American $1 Coin."
Native American $1 Coins
So, "Lets see...2009 circulating coins" becomes:
8 cents :4 designs P mint D mint.
2 nickels: P mint, D mint.
2 Dimes: P mint, D mint.
12 Quarters: 6 territories & DC, P mint, D mint.
2 Half Dollars: P mint, D mint.
8 Presidential Dollars: 4 designs, P mint, D mint.
2 Sacagawea/Changing Reverse Dollars: 1 design, P mint, D mint.
<< I count 36 coins not 34 [or 42] in the 2009 mint set. >>
So it seems!
December 29, 2007
Label will be argued about for many years
By David C. Harper
What’s in a name? In my business and most others, marketing matters. Names matter. You don’t give your best idea an unappealing name, nor do you assign the most unpopular person on staff the task of introducing your valuable new idea to upper management. Individuals who already have a good rapport with the bosses have a better shot at getting something approved. That is human nature.
Such is the case with the decision by Congress to approve commemorative quarter designs for the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands, the Northern Marianas and American Samoa.
I think it was a good idea with bad marketing. Ever since the legislation was passed for the 10-year 50-state quarter program, a promise had been made by its primary author and supporter, Rep. Michael Castle, R-Del., for a companion piece of legislation for the other six geographical areas.
It got dubbed early on as an extension of the 50-states program. That is unfortunate, because as many hobbyists note, none of these six areas is a state. They are associated with the United States in other ways, and they are American through and through, but they are not states.
On that basis, it is silly to call the new quarters an extension of the 50-states program. That doesn’t mean the coins shouldn’t be issued, though.
The quickest way to get everybody to understand what was being proposed was to call the program an extension. Congress fears what it doesn’t know and what it might not understand. This stems from so much legislation being passed without being read by our elected representatives. With this in mind, what better way is there to describe the program than as an extension? I can hear words:
“It’s just a simple extension of the 50- states quarter program. You know how successful that is.”
But bad labels can haunt and the obvious logic that territories are not states has bedeviled those who advocated honoring the District and the five territories.
It would be far better to think of them in separate and distinct packages. There is the 10-year, 50-states quarter program with all of the hoopla that such an undertaking can generate and there is a one-year program following to honor six other geographical areas that are American and share our history. However, human nature doesn’t allow that distinction to be made.
History, even numismatic history, will record the six-coin program as an extension of the 50-states program. A half century from now that time period’s Dave Harper or David Ganz will cluck knowingly about territories not being states. Readers will roll their eyes. How could the people of 2007 been so dumb or blind or careless? Letters to the editor will be written. There will be endless debates.
Perhaps one of the six additions will turn into the key to the series, much like the 1908-S or 1909-S Indian Head cents. Then the collector discussion will turn to lamenting the fact that those future collectors who were not actively collecting in 2009 missed the chance to obtain them and thereby get in on the ground floor with the new issues. That would be the worst part of it for them.
NN Link
I tend to agree with David Harper. I also share the same experience as the OP with regards to US Servicemen and their homelands. I served on a platoon with one each from Guam, Peurto Rico and Samoa. It seems that some who have posted on this thread take umbrage to the 6 commonwealths and territories as something less than their personal homeland locations, which have achieved statehood. Fact is these lands were occupied by aboriginals who knew nothing of the concept of European imperial boundries before our European settlers established themselves here. Another fact is that all of the territorial boundries so established by the North American colonists were various tracts that at one time belonged to France, Great Britain, Purtugal, Spain and others before the Revolutionary War.
I think that the Statehood Quarters program recognizes those early colonies, territories and land purchases that made it to U.S. Statehood and celebrates that accomplishment.
But as the OP opined, many Puerto Ricans and otther [non-statehood denizen] Americans have distinguished themselves by serving the U.S. Armed Services inspite of their lack of statehood. I would even go further to state that per capita Guam, Peurto Rico & Samoa are represented far more in the U.S. Military than people from most States.
I think the "extension" or recognition of D.C. and the territories in the Quarter program does not diminish the 50 states already recoginized. They may not be "states" but they are American just the same as you or I and the deserve recoginition.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BONGO HURTLES ALONG THE RAIN SODDEN HIGHWAY OF LIFE ON UNDERINFLATED BALD RETREAD TIRES
<< <i>But as the OP opined, many Puerto Ricans and otther [non-statehood denizen] Americans have distinguished themselves by serving the U.S. Armed Services inspite of their lack of statehood. I would even go further to state that per capita Guam, Peurto Rico & Samoa are represented far more in the U.S. Military than people from most States. >>
True, but does this reflect patriotism or a lack of employment opportunities at home?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
How about a 6 coin mint set, you now, the basics?