2007 Little Rock Central High School Desegregation Uncirculated Silver Dollar - Sleeper in the makin
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Just last week I bought an NGC graded MS70 LR $1 Unc for $55 to have as a quality keepsake.
Tonight, I see on eBay, an ICG graded MS70 LR $1 selling for $83 + $9 S&H.
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Per the Mint as of 12/20/07.......Max Mintage 425,000 Actual Proofs: 98,550 Actual Uncs: 41,337
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I look forward to FLBuff's take on this issue.
I have 4 Uncs. in Mint boxes, and I'm waiting to make the next move.
Your thoughts are most welcomed.
Tonight, I see on eBay, an ICG graded MS70 LR $1 selling for $83 + $9 S&H.
eBay Link
Per the Mint as of 12/20/07.......Max Mintage 425,000 Actual Proofs: 98,550 Actual Uncs: 41,337
Numismaster Link
I look forward to FLBuff's take on this issue.
I have 4 Uncs. in Mint boxes, and I'm waiting to make the next move.
Your thoughts are most welcomed.
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I have 5 Unc-Medal sets - wonder if there is anything special about those?
Also one would have to count the medal sets:
41,337 + 25,334 = 66,671 for the Uncirc
98,550 + 27,728 = 126,278 for the Proof
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I have 5 Unc-Medal sets - wonder if there is anything special about those?
Also one would have to count the medal sets:
41,337 + 25,334 = 66,671 for the Uncirc
98,550 + 27,728 = 126,278 for the Proof >>
Good point sfs.....still a relatively low Unc. commemorative issue IMHO.
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<< <i>Did not buy any. That is a great deal on an NGC MS70 you got, hard to beat at that price. Here is an article from NGC, apparently they don't like them either
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Ouch....
I still think this one is a sleeper keeper....Time will tell.
Ren
<< <i>I just don't see modern crap with a mintage of +40k ever being worth that much. >>
Take a look at the 06 Reverse Silver eagle modern crap!
Fred, Las Vegas, NV
I don't think that 66,671 is that low a mintage for an uncirculated modern commemorative dollar.
Especially with the key 1996-D Olympic dollars having mintages in the 15K to 16K range.
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<< <i>If it does turn out to be the sleeper coin, I wounder if the 07' Legacy set will follow that same trend??? >>
The 07 Legacy set is already the KEY with half the 'mintage' of the first two legacy sets.
Its fate and numismatic value will only be determined by those that wish to complete a Modern Commemoritive set.
But then, you never really know until its too late, and then the rush begins!
Question: Can the US Mint continue to sell the 2007 Commemoritives in 2008?
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<< <i>2007 Little Rock Central High School Desegregation Uncirculated Silver Dollar >>
That ain't a coin, it's a freakin' paragraph! Whew! Whatta mouthful!
My favorite commem, is the 01-D Buffalo. Wish I had purchased more.
Sorry, what were we talking about?
<< <i>A big DUD, the subject matter alone dooms it. >>
It will be looked upon as an African American commemorative, many coin collectors will not want it for that reason.
I have found coin collectors in general to not be the most open minded and forward looking people in the world that is for sure.
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It will be looked upon as an African American commemorative, many coin collectors will not want it for that reason.
I have found coin collectors in general to not be the most open minded and forward looking people in the world that is for sure. >>
I have to agree. I think the design is interesting, and the coin represents a fundamental political and cultural shift in our country, far beyond the majority of the commems we have released in the last decade. If collectors were to see this as an 'African American' commem, as was mentioned, that is rather unfortunate, and way off base.
Like I said, I like the coin, and I like the lower mintage, but I don't see reason to believe demand will drive up the price any time soon.
you are thinking of the civil war and almost everything after was repercussions from it.
ask the common man now days about little rock high school and you will get a very
blank face. ask them about the civil war and you will get feedback.
-Randy Newman
<< <i>and the coin represents a fundamental political and cultural shift in our country
you are thinking of the civil war and almost everything after was repercussions from it.
ask the common man now days about little rock high school and you will get a very
blank face. ask them about the civil war and you will get feedback. >>
No, I am not thinking of the civil war. Little Rock represented one of the final (not the final) steps in completing the process begun in the civil war. Perhaps more accurately, it represented another promise, one that we still struggle with the fulfillment of today.
The civil war was not about equality of freeing black slaves. Those were political moves at the time meant to weaken the south. Little rock was actually about equal access to education (among other things), and reducing the fundamentally unfair system of segregation that had grown out of the post civil war America.
By the way, I don't disagree with your statement, but that is really the sad point. The common man has no understanding of, nor education in, the actual history of our country, especially in regards to the more subtle cultural issues.
To be even more clear, the civil war was about economics (driven by import tarrif issues) and slavery was part of the economics issues. Little Rock was truly about the constitution and how it should be applied to an issue of daily life to americans: in this case the breaking down of the segregation of the educational system. While it was clearly a 'black and white' issue, it showed that the justices of our country were finally prepared to view our own constitution equally for all groups, and while we still struggle with this today and find loopholes, this monumental decision goes way beyond simply allowing black students to enter a school. This decision paved the way for many of today's laws around access to various government funded programs (for better or worse).
<< <i>How about the Old Mint Dollar? Rather low (for a modern) mintage in Unc, and the Morgan reverse is (in my opinion) STUNNING! >>
True, but not an original design... it is sad when the best we can do is re-use old designs.
but the whole school segregation thing is truly a state by state
basis. many states, like massachusetts were way ahead of other
states. for example:
Jim Crow Laws: Massachusetts
As early as 1843, Massachusetts began repealing segregation laws passed earlier in the state's history. Twelve statutes barring segregation were enacted between 1865 and 1957, making Massachusetts' legislative record one of the most progressive in the nation. The state did, however, impose a language requirement for electors in 1892, and ordered that race be considered in adoption petitions in 1955.
1865: Barred public accommodations segregation [Statute]
Discrimination in any inn, public place of amusement, public carrier, or public meeting prohibited. Penalty: Fine up to $50.
1866: Barred public accommodations segregation [Statute]
Unlawful to exclude persons or restrict them from entering any theater or public place of amusement. Penalty: Fine up to $50.
1885: Barred public accommodations segregation [Statute]
Prohibited discrimination on account of color or race, or "except for good cause," in admission to any theater, skating rink, or other public place or amusement. Penalty: fine up to $100.
1893: Barred public accommodations segregation [Statute]
Expanded 1885 law to include barber shops and other public places open for "hire, gain, or reward."
1894: Barred school segregation [Statute]
No person shall be excluded from a public school on account of race, color, or the religious opinions of the applicant.
little rock was the stubborn south clinging to their old fashioned way of doing business. other states dealt with the issue ages ago.
i think it was the civil war that started the process for the stubborn
as a mule south and everything after it was cleanup.
but you stated your opinion very nicely and i have to admit you
have convinced me that you are "more correct" then i am.
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<< <i>How about the Old Mint Dollar? Rather low (for a modern) mintage in Unc, and the Morgan reverse is (in my opinion) STUNNING! >>
True, but not an original design... it is sad when the best we can do is re-use old designs. >>
We call it retro. Get used to it.
My response was really not meant to attack your opinion, as it was not 'incorrect' it just pointed out things I (and you) already knew about our country and how people percieve our own history, that frustrate me. The civil war sparked off a series of events that led to Little Rock arguably, but it was inadvertant, for the most part, as slavery was the emotional call to arms used by the northern states, many of whom actually could have cared less about slaves, and some of which had owned them in thier time. Abolishing slavery was an economic move at the time, and had little to do with equality... where acts like Little Rock were about fundamental rights and how the constitution itself was going to be used in light of these types of issues.
Anyhow, you are right about desegregation at the state level... however, Little Rock became the visible 'tipping point'.
Does that make people like the coin any more? Nope. It likely will languish as a relatively low mintage, low value commem. Much like the Carver and BTW commems. Coin collectors on the whole don't those "African American" coins.
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<< <i>How about the Old Mint Dollar? Rather low (for a modern) mintage in Unc, and the Morgan reverse is (in my opinion) STUNNING! >>
True, but not an original design... it is sad when the best we can do is re-use old designs. >>
We call it retro. Get used to it.
Hey, I like the design (and the gold buff and silver commem buff) retro designs!
I just wish the mint could show enough creativity to show some new designs of this quality and interest!
i never thought that for a second and i appreciate you taking the time
to reply back. your posts were very informative and it was a nice review
for me to read them.
thanks again.
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<< <i>How about the Old Mint Dollar? Rather low (for a modern) mintage in Unc, and the Morgan reverse is (in my opinion) STUNNING! >>
True, but not an original design... it is sad when the best we can do is re-use old designs. >>
We call it retro. Get used to it.
Hey, I like the design (and the gold buff and silver commem buff) retro designs!
I just wish the mint could show enough creativity to show some new designs of this quality and interest! >>
The entire plat proof series is comprised of beautiful, innovative designs. If the question of interest is an issue, consider that over 14,000 of the 10th anniversary set was sold in less than a week.
The Civil War was not fought over slavery but states rights.
There weren't a handfull of Confederate soilders who owned slaves or even cared about slavery.
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<< <i>How about the Old Mint Dollar? Rather low (for a modern) mintage in Unc, and the Morgan reverse is (in my opinion) STUNNING! >>
True, but not an original design... it is sad when the best we can do is re-use old designs. >>
We call it retro. Get used to it.
Hey, I like the design (and the gold buff and silver commem buff) retro designs!
I just wish the mint could show enough creativity to show some new designs of this quality and interest! >>
The entire plat proof series is comprised of beautiful, innovative designs. If the question of interest is an issue, consider that over 14,000 of the 10th anniversary set was sold in less than a week. >>
True... too bad the same quality of designs could not go into the more affordable coins.
Much like the Jackie Robinson I suppose. Why was the mintage so low on this gold commemorative? If it had a 5 K mintage a lot of collectors might go after it just like the Jackie MS Version. Often mintage plays a role superceding what the subject matter is.
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How about the Old Mint Dollar? Rather low (for a modern) mintage in Unc, and the Morgan reverse is (in my opinion) STUNNING!
Unfortunately the obverse is anything but stunning, and is a poor match for the reverse.
I think it would have looked better with a Morgan obverse and an Old Mint reverse.
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Well, just Love coins, period.
(Just think of city streets clogged with a hundred thousand horses each generating 15 lbs of manure every day...)
The same goes for the Smithsonian $5 gold - at the time, too "ugly" to spend money on. Now both coins are keys due to low mintage and highly therefore desireable - because nobody thought them desireable at the time of release. Go figure.
In spite of the historical moment it commemorated, the Little Rock coin itself just wasn't liked. However, the relative higher mintage will not ever make this one a key.
JH
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I then pulled out my NGC "so called" MS70 perfect coin.....same thing, tiny sprites, didn't even need a loupe.
<< <i>I then pulled out my NGC "so called" MS70 perfect coin.....same thing, tiny sprites, didn't even need a loupe. >>
Modern NGC 70's ... should not come as a surprise..That's why you can buy them for 69 PCGS prices...
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<< <i>I then pulled out my NGC "so called" MS70 perfect coin.....same thing, tiny sprites, didn't even need a loupe. >>
Modern NGC 70's ... should not come as a surprise..That's why you can buy them for 69 PCGS prices... >>
I AGREE
<< <i>Did not buy any. That is a great deal on an NGC MS70 you got, hard to beat at that price. Here is an article from NGC, apparently they don't like them either
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i didn`t buy these either.
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<< <i>If it does turn out to be the sleeper coin, I wounder if the 07' Legacy set will follow that same trend??? >>
The 07 Legacy set is already the KEY with half the 'mintage' of the first two legacy sets. >>
the reason the 07 set did not sell is because nobody wants the 05 and 06 sets.