Here's another fake NGC slab from the same seller. Link
I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector. Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
Counterfeit coins in counterfeit holders are going to become the most serious threat that numismatics has ever faced, IMO. The grading services are going to have to develop, and develop quickly, slabs and anti-counterfeit technologies that will maintain faith in their products. If they don't meet this challenge we are all threatened. Expect to see excellent counterfeits being sold domestically, not just from China on eBay.
The grading services better get off their behinds and face this problem now or we are all in trouble.
Back in the day-other ebay members would be able to email the bidders of an item like this, to warn them. Ebay fixed that.
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Check the seller's FB and go into those that left it and you'll find a nice trail of phony or hijacked accounts. Some are NARU within the last few days but it looks very broad based.
<< <i>Here's another fake NGC slab from the same seller. Link >>
I was wondering about that one... what is the diagnostic? (other than seller from China, maybe the font) I might have fallen for that one, as I had not heard of any fake silver commems...
<< <i>Here is my theory on this topic. No way this is just a single seller in China happening to be selling a couple of fake coins in fake holders, this is organized crime in no uncertain way. If it is out of the box (or pc ) here it is going to be everywhere. I f organized crime wasn't in coins before it definitely is in it now, and comments? >>
No doubt about this. And they are taking notes. Forum members are a good source of info needed to improve their crooked work.
<< <i>Here's another fake NGC slab from the same seller. Link >>
I was wondering about that one... what is the diagnostic? (other than seller from China, maybe the font) I might have fallen for that one, as I had not heard of any fake silver commems... >>
Quite honestly, if this were a US seller, with established feedback, I doubt if anyone would have caught it.
The picture is just blurry enough that a buyer would be tempted to buy just on the slab.
I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector. Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
Well, looks like some unfortunate (and amazingly stupid) collector got burned for $1,682.57. Even if you couldn't tell it was fake, why would you buy a rare coin from someone in China who has 8 feedbacks? You would think the buyer of this type of coin would be a bit more sophisticated. One thing I don't like about this "User ID kept private" for bidding is that you can't even contact the guy to warn him. Oh well, if you are that dumb, you don't deserve a warning. You'll have to learn the hard way.
By now, there are probably a dozen of them with this serial number. Soon, they'll be sold alongside Gucci & Chanel knock-off's out of car trunks at Griffith Park.
<< <i>Check the seller's FB and go into those that left it and you'll find a nice trail of phony or hijacked accounts. Some are NARU within the last few days but it looks very broad based. >>
Why doesn't ebay ban these 1 day auctions? Before ebay can end the auction, it's over and the sucker has already paid.
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
<< <i>Well, looks like some unfortunate (and amazingly stupid) collector got burned for $1,682.57. Oh well, if you are that dumb, you don't deserve a warning. You'll have to learn the hard way. >>
So all the blame is on the "'stupid" buyer? Not on the grading companies and the kool-aid drinkers who tell people they don't have to learn to grade or authenicate as long as the coin is in an "approved" slab? Not on ebay for giving the false security that if you buy a certified coin from an approved company, and a photo shows both side of the slab, you are "safe"?
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
If you look at the fake and Heritage slabs side by side,the fake is using a different label.The fake label has the emblem behind the letters and numbers,where the heritage doesn't,unless it's just to faint for these old eyes to see it.
I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector. Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
How can you be sure that PCGS slabs aren't being faked also? >>
We probably can't. >>
there were pics ATS recently about fake PCGS style slabs starting to be produced that looks exactly like the real thing. So far however, the counterfeiters didn't use 'PCGS' on them, but another set of four letters. it won't be long until these fake slabs hit the market in force, with 'PCGS' stamped on them with fake inserts. hold onto your hats!
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My thinking is...notify ebay you plan on selling a fake coin and just see what they say?
Would they request that you say it's fake? or would they just say ok?
I would be interested to find out
I have lost all faith in ebay since they no longer even let anything related to firing a gun up for bids.
Example is gun brass,trigger mechanizms ect.
So I look everywhere else first before going to the bay anymore.
Check the BST I have 3 for sale. Go for it.
<< <i>Does anyone have a "fake" coin to put up on ebay?
Check the BST I have 3 for sale. Go for it. >>
You missed the rest of my post.
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
Counterfeit coins in counterfeit holders are going to become the most serious threat that numismatics has ever faced, IMO. The grading services are going to have to develop, and develop quickly, slabs and anti-counterfeit technologies that will maintain faith in their products. If they don't meet this challenge we are all threatened. Expect to see excellent counterfeits being sold domestically, not just from China on eBay.
The grading services better get off their behinds and face this problem now or we are all in trouble.
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<< <i>Here's another fake NGC slab from the same seller. Link >>
I was wondering about that one... what is the diagnostic? (other than seller from China, maybe the font) I might have fallen for that one, as I had not heard of any fake silver commems...
<< <i>Here is my theory on this topic. No way this is just a single seller in China happening to be selling a couple of fake coins in fake holders, this is organized crime in no uncertain way. If it is out of the box (or pc ) here it is going to be everywhere. I f organized crime wasn't in coins before it definitely is in it now, and comments? >>
No doubt about this. And they are taking notes.
Forum members are a good source of info needed
to improve their crooked work.
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<< <i>Here's another fake NGC slab from the same seller. Link >>
I was wondering about that one... what is the diagnostic? (other than seller from China, maybe the font) I might have fallen for that one, as I had not heard of any fake silver commems...
Quite honestly, if this were a US seller, with established feedback, I doubt if anyone would have caught it.
The picture is just blurry enough that a buyer would be tempted to buy just on the slab.
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
Even if you couldn't tell it was fake, why would you buy a rare coin from someone
in China who has 8 feedbacks? You would think the buyer of this type of coin would be
a bit more sophisticated.
One thing I don't like about this "User ID kept private" for bidding is that you can't even
contact the guy to warn him. Oh well, if you are that dumb, you don't deserve a warning.
You'll have to learn the hard way.
<< <i>Check the seller's FB and go into those that left it and you'll find a nice trail of phony or hijacked accounts. Some are NARU within the last few days but it looks very broad based. >>
Why doesn't ebay ban these 1 day auctions? Before ebay can end the auction, it's over and the sucker has already paid.
<< <i>Well, looks like some unfortunate (and amazingly stupid) collector got burned for $1,682.57. Oh well, if you are that dumb, you don't deserve a warning.
You'll have to learn the hard way. >>
So all the blame is on the "'stupid" buyer? Not on the grading companies and the kool-aid drinkers who tell people they don't have to learn to grade or authenicate as long as the coin is in an "approved" slab? Not on ebay for giving the false security that if you buy a certified coin from an approved company, and a photo shows both side of the slab, you are "safe"?
When I see large colored fonts, and broken english, I move on.
This would make lovely coin addition to me collection.
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If this is what I have to sift through, forget it.
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
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<< <i>Yet another reason to buy PCGS only. >>
How can you be sure that PCGS slabs aren't being faked also? >>
We probably can't. >>
there were pics ATS recently about fake PCGS style slabs starting to be produced that looks exactly like the real thing. So far however, the counterfeiters didn't use 'PCGS' on them, but another set of four letters. it won't be long until these fake slabs hit the market in force, with 'PCGS' stamped on them with fake inserts. hold onto your hats!