The good, the bad, the ugly and the plain stupid!!!

keets

I'm preparing an order for the fine folks at NCS with a couple items of mine, but the bulk of the nice line submission is for a few friends including the local dealer. It occurred to me that it must be real hoot to see some of the "Hoped Fors" that come across the desk of whoever looks at the orders, this one being a good case in point!!!

The local dealer gets enough traffic from regular folks who want to know what this or that is, but he also gets inquiries from regular customer-collectors with things they've found. Included on my submission are three items that are sort of embarrassing. Mind you, both me and the dealer have tried to talk these collectors into saving their money but they insist on flushing it down the toilet in a shot-for-the-moon!!! Here are the three items, what they think and what we know that they won't accept:

#1. Kennedy Half-Dollar, 1977 about uncirculated that one Half-Dollar guy thinks is Silver Clad. to us it just looks like a Clad with the right weight and passing the "ring test" when dropped on a table.
#2. Kennedy Half-Dollar, 1979 uncirculated that the same guy thinks is a counterfiet. whatever!!!
#3. Pennsylvania State Quarter, 1999-P that the owner thinks is a Silver error. this one is laughable, it's a cast copy and I couldn't even bring myself to declare a value in the provided space!!!

There are a couple of nice items on the order, also: two Gem 1972 DDO Lincoln Cents that should grade MS64RD, NCS should be able to "Help" them by reducing the appearance of a reverse carbon spot on each, a couple of Pinch Series Gold SC$'s that are quite rare, an unlisted Silver SC$ from the 1939 World's Fair and a really nice 1876 Centennial medal. I placed all those ahead of the laughers, I sure hope they don't get held against me during review, I might get put on the pre-screening list or blackballed!!!

My question would be this, especially to dealers but to the advanced collector, also. How do you dissuade collectors from throwing away their money when they pin hope to an obvious fake or misjudge something badly?? Do you reason with them as we have tried and then just allow them to suffer the embarrassment and frustration?? Do you risk being alienated by refusing to accept stuff that you know is bogus??

Thanks in advance, and Merry Christmas to all!!!

Al H.

IRCWCoins

<< <i>#1. Kennedy Half-Dollar, 1977 about uncirculated that one Half-Dollar guy thinks is Silver Clad. to us it just looks like a Clad with the right weight and passing the "ring test" when dropped on a table. >>



Look at the edge on this one. Does it have a copper core?

Why would anybody send coins that they think are counterfeit to NCS?

Griv

Let them throw their money away as that should help them find reality. Besides, I sent in a blank planchet as a Mint error. I'm still waiting to see if PCGS slabs it or bags it.

keets

two good questions asked and answered by the collector. to be sure, even the silver clads often show the copper core so that's no way to know about the composition and as for sending in the counterfiets, you got me there..........................

StampAlarm

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<< <i>#1. Kennedy Half-Dollar, 1977 about uncirculated that one Half-Dollar guy thinks is Silver Clad. to us it just looks like a Clad with the right weight and passing the "ring test" when dropped on a table. >>



Look at the edge on this one. Does it have a copper core?

Why would anybody send coins that they think are counterfeit to NCS? >>





I'm sending a problem free coin to NCS to be holdered as Genuine. The only reason I'm doing it
is to find out if it's counterfeit. And the reason I use NCS is because it's cheaper for just one coin.


I don't know Keets. I guess just let people send in what they want until they figure out what
they really shouldn't send in.



Jerry

19Lyds

<< <i>even the silver clads often show the copper core so that's no way to know about the composition.................. >>



The 40% Silver Clad coins did not have a 100% copper core but had a ±79% Copper, ±21% Silver alloy core so a copper edge should never be seen. A darkened or discolored edge but not copper.

pontiacinf

<< <i>#1. Kennedy Half-Dollar, 1977 about uncirculated that one Half-Dollar guy thinks is Silver Clad. to us it just looks like a Clad with the right weight and passing the "ring test" when dropped on a table.
#2. Kennedy Half-Dollar, 1979 uncirculated that the same guy thinks is a counterfiet. whatever!!!
#3. Pennsylvania State Quarter, 1999-P that the owner thinks is a Silver error. this one is laughable, it's a cast copy and I couldn't even bring myself to declare a value in the provided space!!! >>



I wouldve nicely explained to whomever had these that they need to find "someone else" if they wanted to submit them, I can think of a few problems that could arise from positions 1&2

Myqqy

I wouldve nicely explained to whomever had these that they need to find "someone else" if they wanted to submit them,

That would be my answer also- people can throw their money away on stupid submissions, but they would have to find a different submittor..

beartracks42

Al,
Merry Christmas to you, Casey and the kids.

Gary

keets

Look at the edge on this one. Does it have a copper core?
The 40% Silver Clad coins did not have a 100% copper core but had a ±79% Copper, ±21% Silver alloy core so a copper edge should never be seen. A darkened or discolored edge but not copper.

well, i guess you're technically correct on that point, but the silver issues almost always show some difference in the color from the core which is noticeable. this is clearly a clad, i thought i made that point in the OP??

Bill and Michael, my experience teaches me that it's sometimes best to just attempt to reason with people and then let them make their own mistake. perhaps in the future these guys will be inclined to trust my judgement or the judgement of another over their own. in the long run submitting these coins won't cost me anything and i certainly won't be embarrassed or compromised in any way. what is your reasoning as to "problems" that could arise or refusal to help another collector learn??

Snapdragon

Have you considered suggesting that they join a TPG themselves so they can make submissions? Obviously they feel that their opinion is superior to yours and are willing to gamble on it...and they aren't willing to allow you to bring value to the process beyond mailing it.

Snapdragon

BlindedByEgo

The only explanation I can find is that some peoples' emotions get way ahead of their intellect. When pride then kicks in, no amount of dissuasion is sufficient. Human nature, but usually most evident in the male of the species.

Myqqy

in the long run submitting these coins won't cost me anything and i certainly won't be embarrassed or compromised in any way. what is your reasoning as to "problems" that could arise or refusal to help another collector learn??

I was just a tad concerned that the fine folks at NGC/NCS would think you're a tool for submitting the previously mentioned items, and penalize you somehow. Just a small bit of paranoia coming from someone who doesn't submit items to the evil empire graders...

rgl1345

Oh I thought you meant...in no certain order, Russ, Marty's chicken, FC, Biddlesbank