Any way this 70 year old is this young looking without cleaning?

FloridaBill

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p8nt

Likely altered surfaces.

GoldenEyeNumismatics

Yes. It all depends on storage conditions.

I've seen undipped 135+ year old coins that looked like they just came out of the coining chamber.

Nevertheless, seeing it's an ebay auction, I might be a little suspicious. It may have been whizzed--it kinda has that "look."

FloridaBill

Ok...educate me please..what do I look for (when having a coin in hand) to tell if a coin has been whizzed...and what is whizzing?

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commoncents05

Is this from the seller with tons of nice coins and uses FDC in the titles?

-Paul

bidask

<< <i>Ok...educate me please..what do I look for (when having a coin in hand) to tell if a coin has been whizzed...and what is whizzing?

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FloridaBill (ex-flipper) >>

Whizzing is a coin where the surfaces looked polished by some artificial method that supposedly enhances the surfaces when in fact it totally ruins the surfaces. Whizzing is worse than being dipped or cleaned or subtly altered.

It is the worst form of altering a coins surface.

Easy to spot.

FloridaBill

<< <i>Whizzing is a coin where the surfaces looked polished by some artificial method that supposedly enhances the surfaces when in fact it totally ruins the surfaces. Whizzing is worse than being dipped or cleaned or subtly altered. >>



OK, when I think of whizzing, I think of a floor polisher...bunch of bristles doing their thing....is that what I should look for to see if a coin has been whizzed? A bunch of small, sometimes circular surface scars?

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FloridaBill (XF)

coindeuce

Whizzing usually imparts a pinwheel pattern of hairlines on the surface. Totally destroys the natural flow lines and consequently eliminates "cartwheel" luster.

FloridaBill

<< <i> Is this from the seller with tons of nice coins and uses FDC in the titles? >>



Yep, same one. I have been high bidder on 4 coins from him so far, but have yet to receive them, as I have yet to pay for them. After winning the first 3 auctions, I emailed him asking if he would accept a paypay e-check (only $5 cost to him, and still no recourse to him). After a week I had not had a reply, so I messaged him with the same question. I received a response yesterday, the gist of, and I quote, is "checks would be preferred as I do not use paypal. I hit a deer with my car followed by 15 inches of snow and ice, putting me way behind on email".

So, the jury is still out.....but DAMN...some of these coins sure look pretty!

FloridaBill (XF)

ALHENDER22

I agree storage could have preserved it as nice as it is. If is has been cleaned, now way its a whiz job, it
was a gentle DIP by someone who knew what they were doing. Whized coins can be spoted by looking
for lots of hairline scartches or deep scartches. Sometimes you might also notice what appears to
shinny stunner but you will notice carbon build up or other enviromental damage around the letters and devices.

My opinion.

Al

FloridaBill

<< <i>If is has been cleaned, now way its a whiz job, it >>



If it's just a case of a "gentle dip" at sometime along its life, will that preclude it from being graded according to its other merits?

FloridaBill (XF)

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Good Luck to ya Bill!

What I see is a well presented photograph. Possibly doctored but definitely smoothed out or softened.
I also see surface disturbances on the cheek bones of both soldiers and the high points of both hats. No definite lines or hits, just disturbances telling me that something it there but I cannot really see it.

I see an X on the Union Shield at the top of the 4th and 5th vertical stripe. That X is there but is barely noticeable due to the photographic presentation.

I see a hit near the bottom of the 2nd vertical stripe on the Union Shield.

I see surface disturbaces on the Confederate Shield in the upper and lower quadrants.

This fellow has a photographic method that seems to make these disappear as some of his feedback insinuates. Also note that his photos are practically void of any surface luster. Almost all of them are a plain steel gray almost as if they were artificial or shot through some type of softening filter. When I see auctions with photos like these, I just watch.

If you decide to bid high and consumate this deal, please let us know what you get!

BTW, I don;t think this seller is going to budge on his PayPal E Check Stance. I'd be surprised if he did.

jmski52

Bill, yes - it's possible that a commem like that could be bright and original. It's more likely that you are looking at a lightly dipped coin.

Whizzed - think of a soft buffing bonnet, like when you wax & buff your car. The whizzed proof nickel that I bought from Ron Knight in Michigan, aka *ron60coins* on ebay was bright and not that easy to discern in hand, but the overall "look" wasn't exactly right for a proof, either. On close inspection under magnification, you should be able to see the faint hairlines from a buff job.

tahoe98

for an example of a whizzed coin just buy a coin from the 'vault'

57loaded

i think Lee gave you a reall good look over for this coin.

kryptonitecomics

My first instinct was to guess whizzed but without the coin hand........pure speculation.

BECOKA

To answer the question about dipping, yes it can still be graded. Usually the kind of cleaning that keeps it from grading is wiping with a cloth where you see hairlines in similar directions, not random like you would get from being in a pocket.

MarkInDavis

Nice detailed analysis Lee!