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The difference between a 67RD IH and a 68RD

shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
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68RD vs 67RD
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The first is imaged by Heritage, the second by Lakesammman. Lakes has the edge there.
His image shows the true color so much better.

But as nice as Lake's coin is, compare the date strikes. No contest, the Heritage 1899 rules.
That's the difference between a rare 67RD and a one of a kind 68RD.
Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd like to see them side by side to get a better feel. I think getting a 68R is just a luck at the grading factory. When I viewed the 68, I wasn't too impressed with it being better than a 67.

    I paid 6K for mine - who got the better deal?? image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    I don't know. I see some spotty areas between the eye and the 'D' of UNITED on the 68 which I don't see on the 67.

    But yeah, the strike -- particularly on the second '9' in the date -- is way more hammered on the 68.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Diamonds are better on the 67. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like the same dang coin to me.

    Gotta love heritage photography. Whomever taught them how to overexpose like that did a great job!

    siliconvalleycoins.com

  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Back when we owned it, we made a set of photographs from the Epstein Collection. We sold sets of the images of the collection for $150 until the yahoo at the photo place scratched the negs. I think we only sold 5 sets.

    Here is the 1899 from a 1996 print.

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    Edited to change I to "we", as BWRC and I were partners at the time. image
    Rick Snow, Eagle Eye Rare Coins, Inc.Check out my new web site:
  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,547 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd like to see them side by side to get a better feel. I think getting a 68R is just a luck at the grading factory. When I viewed the 68, I wasn't too impressed with it being better than a 67.

    I paid 6K for mine - who got the better deal?? image >>


    I think any one point increase in grade from 66 to 70 is just luck.

    How much did the 68 sell for? Probably a lot more than I would have been willing to pay.
  • BWRCBWRC Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭


    MS68RD sold for $69,000 1/11/2003
    Brian Wagner Rare Coins, Specializing in PCGS graded, Shield, Liberty and Buffalo Nickels varieties.
  • BWRCBWRC Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭


    I've owned both of the coins and don't think I would pay the "difference" between the two grades today, allthough I agree with PCGS which coin is the best.
    Brian Wagner Rare Coins, Specializing in PCGS graded, Shield, Liberty and Buffalo Nickels varieties.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Brian has some of the sharpest eyes around and, along with Rick, a long track record - I defer to him. image

    Rick - nice pic. I guess the diamonds are OK. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Isn't the MS68 unique?
  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,547 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>MS68RD sold for $69,000 1/11/2003 >>


    image

    wow
  • BWRCBWRC Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Isn't the MS68 unique? >>



    allthough the population report shows 2 graded as MS68RD in 1899 most would agree with me that the pop report is in error and only the coin in this thread exists.
    Brian Wagner Rare Coins, Specializing in PCGS graded, Shield, Liberty and Buffalo Nickels varieties.
  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,547 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>allthough the population report shows 2 graded as MS68RD in 1899 most would agree with me that the pop report is in error and only the coin in this thread exists. >>


    I'm sorry, but I just have to question the rationale of paying $69,000 for a coin of which 53,598,000 were minted for circulation. This is taking the concept of condition rarity to the extreme!
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't have the top registry set w/o that plastic. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Prior to the registry, in 1996 we thought it was a $15,000 coin. Today, it would might be a be a $30,000 coin, I guess, by itself with out registry effects. Add the Registry element as the only MS68RD in the entire series, and "Hey why not $100,000"! That's what competition does.

    Edited to clarify: Pop 1 for the bronze Indian Cent series.

    Rick Snow, Eagle Eye Rare Coins, Inc.Check out my new web site:
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey, guys; lets make this even more interesting!

    Add my 1899 PCGS MS-66RD to the equation (sold to me by Eagle Eye a few years back and previously owned by a well respected collector of NDN cents) and now lets analyze the difference between all three!

    Keep in mind that if you study all three, there are differences in strength of strike and detail but I will allow the real experts here to analyze and praise and criticize each piece as warranted.


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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Your 100k estimate is probably correct. Good grief a 2007 MS 70 dime is being hawked for 10K. Its the only 68 ms bronze Indian a registry competitor can buy ergo MOON MONEY.
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,468 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>68RD vs 67RD
    image

    The first is imaged by Heritage, the second by Lakesammman. Lakes has the edge there.
    His image shows the true color so much better.

    But as nice as Lake's coin is, compare the date strikes. No contest, the Heritage 1899 rules.
    That's the difference between a rare 67RD and a one of a kind 68RD. >>



    Not to take away anything away from this thread, the coin is very exceptional to say the least. But I will differ
    with you that Lake's pic show's the strike much better than Heritage's. Actually, Heritage's picture sucks
    when compared. And here's why! Heritage, as they do to 99% of the pics on their website, they place the lighting
    at 7 o'clock destroying any 3d effect of the coins design. The full design in the headdress is almost completely gone.
    Here's another pic from their website, God knows, I had a very large selection to choose from. The first is a thumbnail
    pic for that auction/lot. Notice that very tiny shinny/white chin and nose or eyeball, again the lighting is from the WRONG angle.
    Whenever, and I seldom do anymore, go to their website to check a few of their coins and it doesn't take but a couple of
    minutes, if I see those shinny little chins in their thumbnails, GOODBYE, I'll pass right on by them. There's no sense in clicking
    on the lot to see a larger misrepresentation of the coin!
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    What's up with the bad pictures?


    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Lakes - as one who learned the most about IH's from you, but also taught you the most about imaging them,

    bow down to the finest business strike IH of all time.

    image


    That pre-digital image provided by Rick Snow is the coin forum at its best. Thanks Rick.

    There's a reason why Epstein wanted that coin back, and why PCGS 68'd it.
    Whoever owns it now has the finest IH business strike of all time.
    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org

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