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Updated: December 18, 2007, 4:00 PM ET

NEW YORK -- Roger Clemens denied allegations by his former trainer that he took performance-enhancing drugs, calling them "a dangerous and destructive shortcut that no athlete should ever take.''

I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life.
--Roger Clemens, in a statement issued by his agent.

The accusations against the seven-time Cy Young Award winner from his former trainer, Brian McNamee, were contained in last week's Mitchell report. Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell said McNamee said he injected Clemens with steroids in 1998 while with the Toronto Blue Jays, and steroids and human growth hormone in 2000 and 2001, while with the New York Yankees.

"I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life,'' Clemens said Tuesday in a statement issued through his agent, Randy Hendricks. "Those substances represent a dangerous and destructive shortcut that no athlete should ever take.

"I am disappointed that my 25 years in public life have apparently not earned me the benefit of the doubt, but I understand that Senator Mitchell's report has raised many serious questions. I plan to publicly answer all of those questions at the appropriate time in the appropriate way. I only ask that in the meantime people not rush to judgment.''

Another McNamee client, Yankees pitcher Andy Pettitte, said last weekend that he took HGH twice while rehabbing from an injury in 2002. Mitchell said McNamee told him he injected Pettitte with HGH two-to-four times that year.

Baseball players and owners didn't have an agreement banning steroids until September 2002. They banned HGH in January 2005.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
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  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    Maybe they can get Roger for plagerizing Michael Vick's statement---" I plan to publicly answer all of those questions at the appropriate time in the appropriate way. I only ask that in the meantime people not rush to judgment. I'm not the bad man you have all made me out to be''.

    It's like De Ja Vu all over again.
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whether Roger did or did not take drugs makes no difference to me. Of course, the only thing Vick did that bothered me was try to make up with the slime group, peta. If peta is against it, then I probably support it.
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Uh ok we believe ya Rog.image
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭✭
    I believe him.
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe him. >>



    You believed Bush too. image
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭✭
    I still do, S.A. Hahahahaha.
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭✭
    If it helps you get over your BDS any Mike, I do believe Bonds is a juicer and as virulent a racist as Cobb ever was. Does that help?
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I still do, S.A. Hahahahaha. >>



    You will always proclaim you do, but deep down you know better. image
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭✭
    No, actually, deep down I'm perfectly set and fine with my convictions. I also get along perfectly well with the resident BDS'ers at work. We can't talk politics or religion, so we fill in the gaps with plenty of irreverent sexual innuendo.
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>No, actually, deep down I'm perfectly set and fine with my convictions. I also get along perfectly well with the resident BDS'ers at work. We can't talk politics or religion, so we fill in the gaps with plenty of irreverent sexual innuendo. >>



    Well that's good to hear, it means you still have room for growth. image
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭✭
    I've grown plenty in my time, and I don't ever associate acquiesing to others' opinions (when I don't agree with them) with growth. However, if you're in need of a dirty limerick, I can probably assist you.
  • Cool! The Open Forum is back in business image
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭✭
    I was thinking the same thing, but I'd prolly better not.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Marion Jones's publicist must work with Roger these days.


  • << <i>I was thinking the same thing, but I'd prolly better not. >>




    Yeah, Carol Jello might get mad image
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭✭
    Well that's what I like about the allegations. No "well I didn't know that cream I put on my shoulder was THAT stuff", etc. Either he remembers getting injected in the butt or not, no two ways about that one. So, someone says "yes" and Roger says "no"... someone's lying. So now then, how will it be proven/disproven?
  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life.
    --Roger Clemens, in a statement issued by his agent. >>


    Double talk for...I used designer steroids before they were banned, then I switched to HGH before it was banned...now I use something new that is not yet banned - so therefore I am neither a liar nor a cheat (just a weasel). None of these are probably specifically banned. Whatever.
    Mike
    Bosox1976
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭✭
    Putting a lot of words into his mouth for him, aren't you? How clear must clear be?
  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A lot more clear than a 109 word statement issued by an attorney. He had every chance to clear this up as the Mitchell committee invited everyone named to do so. His statement is likely not an outright lie as it was issued by an attorney - but anybody who doesn't think this legalspeak is a very liberal interpretation of the facts is kidding themselves. There is a reason he is the most named player in the report. The player with the consensus weakest case against him has already admitted that the report is accurate (Roberts), what does that mean for Roger?
    Mike
    Bosox1976
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    It's a conspiracy.

    Free Rocket!
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts


  • << <i>Free Rocket! >>





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  • its all sumantics.....


    roger said he didnt "take" steroids, which is partially true....he "injected" Steroids....

    in his mind, h emay think that he is not lying.....when you become pathological you believe your own lies...
  • If he really felt this strongly about his 'innocence', where was his statement the day the report dropped? Why hasn't he given a live press conference or interview?

    The guy reeks of insincerity.

  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭✭
    That's OK, so do you.
  • original-

    what would it take for you to believe Clemens used performance enhancing substances? A photo of him injecting himself? Doesn't his close friend Petite disclosing his using, paired with Clemens' amazing rebound post 35 years of age and seemingly timeless ability to continue to pitch tell you he used something not on the up and up?

    Do you believe anyone who has tested positive for HGH or steroids is guilty? Bonds? McGwire? Sosa?
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>original-

    what would it take for you to believe Clemens used performance enhancing substances? A photo of him injecting himself? Doesn't his close friend Petite disclosing his using, paired with Clemens' amazing rebound post 35 years of age and seemingly timeless ability to continue to pitch tell you he used something not on the up and up?

    Do you believe anyone who has tested positive for HGH or steroids is guilty? Bonds? McGwire? Sosa? >>



    I can only conclude that "original" IS Roger Clemens. Maybe he can sign some rookie cards for us to minimize losses from their reduced value.
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>its all sumantics.....


    roger said he didnt "take" steroids, which is partially true....he "injected" Steroids....

    in his mind, h emay think that he is not lying.....when you become pathological you believe your own lies... >>



    That would be MAJOR LEAGUE parsing of words, and make Clinton look like a piker.
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    If you believe Clemens then you have to believe that the guy under indictment for blowing the whistle on him told the truth about Pettitte but lied about Clemens. How would you square this?
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    It's obvious who the haters are, always trying to keep a legend down. Roger is a loyal family man who busts his rear every single day to stay in shape. He's already made enough money to feed his great-great grandkids, so it's not about the cha-ching; it's for his teammates and fans. I think it's absolutely horrible to see the media slander one of, if not the, greatest pitcher in the history of MLB. How dare any of you to question his integrity?!? Each and every one of you should be ashamed of yourselves!!

    LEAVE ROCKET ALONE!

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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • There is talk of the possibility of more Congressional hearings into steroid use in the wake of the Mitchell report and I'm sure that Roger Clemens would be front and center in this along with the guy who says he injected him. Could make for some very dramatic testimony
    unless Clemens pulls a "McGuire".
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It's obvious who the haters are, always trying to keep a legend down. Marion is a loyal family woman who busts her rear every single day to stay in shape. She's already made enough money to feed her great-great grandkids, so it's not about the cha-ching; it's for her teammates and fans. I think it's absolutely horrible to see the media slander one of, if not the, greatest female track athlete of our generation. How dare any of you to question her integrity?!? Each and every one of you should be ashamed of yourselves!!

    LEAVE Marion Jones ALONE!

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    uh, yeah
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭✭
    That's right, I'm cryin' away! Hey connecticoin, there was a thing I PM'd you about on your BST list. If it's gone, that's cool.

    As for Roger, I just like him... now Barry's a whole 'nother matter. image
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Stop mocking one of the greatest pitchers any of us will ever see in our lifetime.

    He said that he didn't take any substances.. I mean, what else do you want from him?!?!

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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    Who would have thought Pete Rose would look like an angel to all of these cheaters?!!! All i can say is---Thanks Barry,Roger,Andy,Lenny,Rafeal,Jose,Brian,Mac,Shef,Jason,Jeremy....... for letting Pete into the Hall of Fame now.
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I must be real hard to enjoy anything with such a moral superiority.

    I wonder how many of you also look down on all of the football players from the 70's and 80's (even the 90's and today). Drugs were everywhere. I would expect many more took them than did not.

    What about all of the players who were on these at one point, and have not been made public. If this report had 80 players, I would expect that actual number to be over 800. Will you change your opinion of all of these people too.

    I am glad I can actually watch a game and enjoy the skills it takes to play it. I also suspect most fans also feel this way.

    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭✭
    dbldie55, again, an intelligent voice in the wilderness!
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    The question in this thread is whether or not we believe his denial or not. There is no moral question involved, its either yes or no. So I don't get your point. One has to believe that Mcnamee took a deal and outed Pettitte and Clemens and then proceeded to lie. DD you know as well as I do if you accept a plea deal you have to spill the beans and if you lie then you go to jail. So you would have to believe that after taking a deal Mcnamee then proceeded to lie about Clemens therefore nixing the deal he just made and instead decided to go to prison. So what moral high ground is in question? Either you believe Clemens or you don't and hopefully your decision is made up by more than just admiring his family life or his baseball accomplishments.

    Someone can be a twice convicted murderer and still not believe Clemens or choose to believe him. So please enlighten all of us where the moral highground angle comes in????
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Just wait until Rocket lays his au-natural vengeance upon the.

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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Just wait until Rocket lays his au-natural vengeance upon the.

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    I have no idea what you just implied or said. image
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Just wait until Rocket lays his au-natural vengeance upon the.

    image >>



    I have no idea what you just implied or said. image >>



    Me neither but it sounded good at the time.

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    How about: For those doubting Rocket's innocence, he will beat you down in a non-roid rage kinda way.

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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Clemens makes public denial.

    Link

    FREE ROCKET!
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • I am proud to say that I pegged Palmeiro as lying within minutes of watching him in congress....my brother can attest to it as I called him immediately.

    While cooking yesterday, I was able to glance up and watch about six seconds of Clemens making his denial, and he is lying as well.

    It looked as if somebody coached Roger Clemens to be careful on his eye and head movements so that he wouldn't give away a lie too easily. What seems to have resulted is that he did combat that giveaway, but in the process gave another one. He was too unnaturally stiff in the eyes and head, and obvious that he was concnetrating on avoiding the giveaway .

    As a kid that spent hours in the principal office for mischief, I guess I learned some things.


  • << <i>I am proud to say that I pegged Palmeiro as lying within minutes of watching him in congress....my brother can attest to it as I called him immediately.

    While cooking yesterday, I was able to glance up and watch about six seconds of Clemens making his denial, and he is lying as well.

    It looked as if somebody coached Roger Clemens to be careful on his eye and head movements so that he wouldn't give away a lie too easily. What seems to have resulted is that he did combat that giveaway, but in the process gave another one. He was too unnaturally stiff in the eyes and head, and obvious that he was concnetrating on avoiding the giveaway .

    As a kid that spent hours in the principal office for mischief, I guess I learned some things. >>




    I noticed those things as well, just watched it online a few minutes ago and the way his eyes looked upward right after saying
    "these things are not true" just looked rather suspicious to me.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Marion Jones Redux
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I am proud to say that I pegged Palmeiro as lying within minutes of watching him in congress....my brother can attest to it as I called him immediately. >>



    Go ahead and provide his contact information so we can verify your claims.

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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • Stown,

    I will introduce you to him when you come for the game of catch.


    Now quit trying to stir the pot, as usual.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I could tell Maria Sharapova was lying when she stated publicly that she wasn't having a torrid love affair with me.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Stown,

    I will introduce you to him when you come for the game of catch.

    Now quit trying to stir the pot, as usual. >>



    Typical response from the local Napoleon. Talk a big game but when asked to step up, make yet another excuse.

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    Oh and edited to add, before you attempt another Tinkerbell-like spin.

    I'll gladly play a game with you but make it worth my wild before hand, as I've already offered NUMEROUS times. Not just play "catch" and then go from there.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • Why would I make it worth your while before hand? You have done nothing other than be a troll. Now you have a chance to actually do something, being that you can't find a girl, or afford a house.

    Ok putz how about this. You come, and I will make you two bets....

    1) Fastest throw out of ten pitches on a radar gun.


    2) Farthest football throw


    I will bet you $500 each bet. How about that.

    If you are so confident, then you get easy money.


    After those two bets, then we can go to the top of a hill, and see who the last man standing is...a good old game of King of the Mountain.
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