THE NEG FB WAS NOT UNREALISTIC AND IT WAS VERY PLEASANT GIVING IT TO YOU
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I was looking at buying a coin. The surface for an 1837 dime looked strange, so I went to check his feedback on toolhaus.
This is the best negative feedback and replies I've ever read.
I will post the pics of the coin but do not like the idea of posting eBay names when nothing wrong is proven. Could discredit him unfairly.
Negative feedback rating BUY SOMPLACE ELSE, HE WANTS HIS FEEDBACK FIRST, WHAT A JERK Buyer:
250338 ( 113 [Feedback score is 100 to 499] )
Jan-13-06 09:55
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Reply by Seller (Jan-13-06 12:50):
Very unpleasant buyer, unrealistic, and demanding. Avoid him if he bids!
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Follow-up by 250338 (Mar-22-06 10:33):
THE NEG FB WAS NOT UNREALISTIC AND IT WAS VERY PLEASANT GIVING IT TO YOU
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This is the best negative feedback and replies I've ever read.
I will post the pics of the coin but do not like the idea of posting eBay names when nothing wrong is proven. Could discredit him unfairly.
Negative feedback rating BUY SOMPLACE ELSE, HE WANTS HIS FEEDBACK FIRST, WHAT A JERK Buyer:
250338 ( 113 [Feedback score is 100 to 499] )
Jan-13-06 09:55
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Reply by Seller (Jan-13-06 12:50):
Very unpleasant buyer, unrealistic, and demanding. Avoid him if he bids!
o
Follow-up by 250338 (Mar-22-06 10:33):
THE NEG FB WAS NOT UNREALISTIC AND IT WAS VERY PLEASANT GIVING IT TO YOU
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Of course, given the circular debates we've had about it here, I shouldn't be surprised...
1) leaving feedback first
2) sending an email indicating the transaction went well
3) contacting seller/open dispute
As a seller it is NOT wise to leave feedback simply because you have been paid. The buyer can raise all kinds of hell and your positive feedback puts you in the crack. I also send an email to any buyer and explain this to them so they know that I won't hold feedback hostage but I need to know if the transaction was acceptable before I give any feedback. Only 1 person refused but I was able to get an email from them so I gave them feedback. I never got any back from them.
<< <i>I believe the buyer has the responsibility of either
1) leaving feedback first
2) sending an email indicating the transaction went well
3) contacting seller/open dispute
As a seller it is NOT wise to leave feedback simply because you have been paid. The buyer can raise all kinds of hell and your positive feedback puts you in the crack. I also send an email to any buyer and explain this to them so they know that I won't hold feedback hostage but I need to know if the transaction was acceptable before I give any feedback. Only 1 person refused but I was able to get an email from them so I gave them feedback. I never got any back from them. >>
I certainly agree with you. We've seen enough horror stories about bad buyers causing trouble even after they have paid to convince me otherwise. I don't believe in either side withholding feedback as a matter of policy until the other side has left theirs; as you mention, option (2) above is sufficient. If they tell me they received what I sent and don't give any indication they're not happy, I'll consider the transaction complete even if they did not leave feedback.
i always make a transaction right for the buyer, a return or whatever.
a seller who holds back on feedback right away is a wannabe in my
mind trying to protect themselves.
protect from what i ask? they just want the chance to act childish
and get the last word in!
that is the way i see it.
a more professional seller leaves it right away. a seller who has sold
1000 items in the last year and has 98% feedback is A-OK in my book. I have learned that you cannot please everyone.
<< <i>a seller who holds back on feedback right away is a wannabe in my
mind trying to protect themselves.
protect from what i ask? they just want the chance to act childish
and get the last word in!
that is the way i see it.
a more professional seller leaves it right away. a seller who has sold
1000 items in the last year and has 98% feedback is A-OK in my book. I have learned that you cannot please everyone. >>
You are almost always a judgemental jerk in your posts. Why? Do you not get enough fiber in your diet? You just posted a insulting post directed at my response. "Wannabe ... chance to act foolish ... get the last word in". Didn't you Mother teach you that if you can't find something nice to say to keep your pie hole shut?
First off know it all, eBay advises Sellers not to leave feedback until you are satisfied with the transaction. The eBay "standard" emails that are sent to buyers even state that they buyer should send feedback first. Only a rookie seller would not insure that the item was actually in the buyers hands before signing off. Maybe you're happy once you get your hand on the cash but I am not satisfied until my customer is satisfied. 7 years on eBay with a 99.9% which you can't get without over 1,000 feedbacks. My only neg came from my only neutral.
<< <i>eBay advises Sellers not to leave feedback until you are satisfied with the transaction. >>
Could you provide documentation / a link showing where Ebay advises this?? Thanks, CCG
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<< <i>eBay advises Sellers not to leave feedback until you are satisfied with the transaction. >>
Could you provide documentation / a link showing where Ebay advises this?? Thanks, CCG >>
If you go to your "Item Sold" page and selct a buyer then click on email. Go through the standard templates and you should see it. All mine are edited to include that an email is also okay with me as far as feedback. I just want to make sure that they got want I sent before I assume everything is okay. Some buyers are dishonest so I always use Delivery Confirmation for no extra charge so if they receive it and indicate that they are okay then I give feedback. If they give ne a negitive then I can show this to eBay and get it removed. Never had to but it's always smart to make sure the buyer and the seller are protected.
If a buyer pays immediately I leave + FeedBack, note that fact and the date of item shipment.
As a buyer if I don’t get it after immediate payment and the item arrives as described, I don’t leave any.
I’d rather not have a list showing the items I’ve bought anyways.
From the eBay FeedBack Tutorial
You paid for an item, but it hasn't yet arrived. Since you paid you expect the seller to leave feedback first. Should the seller leave feedback upon receipt of payment?
a. Yes. Since you paid, the seller should leave feedback first
b. No. The seller should wait until you leaves feedback, signaling your satisfaction with the item and the transaction.
c. No. The seller has automated part of the transaction process using auction management software so the seller should let the system leave the feedback based on the criteria they chose when they programmed the software.
d. Each member may choose the best approach to leaving feedback for them.
D.
That's right! There are different philosophies on whether the buyer or seller should leave feedback first. Research shows that sellers who leave feedback upon receipt of payment receive a higher percentage of feedback, but either approach is acceptable.
One reason that sellers leave feedback upon receipt of payment is that they believe that the buyer has upheld his or her end of the transaction. One reason sellers wait until a buyer has left feedback is they take the feedback as the signal that the buyer is satisfied with the purchase and no further customer support is needed.
If the approach your buyer or seller takes matters to you, review the comments left for others in their Member Profile page to see when they leave feedback.
<< <i>THE NEG FB WAS NOT UNREALISTIC AND IT WAS VERY PLEASANT GIVING IT TO YOU >>
toooo funny, & i enjoyed reading it!
K S
<< <i>a seller who holds back on feedback right away is a wannabe in my mind trying to protect themselves. >>
FC, I agree with you. I don't always, but you make a good point there.
Griv you're just an immature brat. No other way to phrase it.
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<< <i>a seller who holds back on feedback right away is a wannabe in my mind trying to protect themselves. >>
FC, I agree with you. I don't always, but you make a good point there.
Griv you're just an immature brat. No other way to phrase it. >>
seeing as you're fairly new here, perhaps it would be best if you just sat back and observed.
Jumping right in, taking sides and calling other members names is no way to win friends and influence people.
doh
As a seller, I leave feedback as soon as I receive payment. The buyers' only responsibility is to pay for the item. Everything else falls on the seller. Those that say the buyer should leave feedback first are simply wanting the ability for an unwarranted retalitory feedback if the buyer leaves negative feedback (usually deserved).
As a seller, it is your obligation to ensure the buyer is satisfied. In MOST cases this is very easy to do using reasonable and expected business practices.
For the RARE buyer that will leave bad feedback no matter what, you will have to accept an occasional "ding" to your feedback score. Big Deal, it happens to the best of us.
I am a strong advocate that EBay should automatically leave good feedback for a buyer as soon as payment is verified.
Instead of looking at this from a selfish point of view, look at it from the larger picture. If sellers left feedback immediately, then the buyer would be able to leave feedback without fear of retalitory feedback. LOTS of buyers will not leave appropriate negative feedback because of this! This would allow them to be more honest, giving future buyers from that seller a more accurate view of the seller. While this is not a perfect system and might result in an occasional bad feedback from a dissatisfied buyer that no one is able to please, overall it helps way more than it hurts.
The overwealming feeling that the seller is always right and not the buyer is a sad daily reminder of the decline of customer service in this country. Be careful as you reap what you sew and your attitude that the buyer is always right will result in the continual erosion of basic customer service.
Here we go again... "I know you are, but what am I?"
At least it's the who should leave feedback first nonsense instead of the "classic" vs. modern nonsense.
By the way, the seller who got negged was ernie.
<< <i>I am a strong advocate that EBay should automatically leave good feedback for a buyer as soon as payment is verified >>
Probably the dumbest line so far on this thread. Just because you pay quickly doesn't mean you're a good customer. You could be the biggest ass in the world and pay on time but it doesn't mean I want to do business with you. Feedback covers everything, not just being a quick payer. It covers whether or not you have unrealistic demands, a constant complainer, etc, etc. I never leave a buyer feedback first. If a buyer doesn't leave me feedback, no biggie, I sell to sell, not chock up feedback. I may after a month leave feedback only because of the time length and the buyer has had a chance to complain, etc.
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<< <i>I am a strong advocate that EBay should automatically leave good feedback for a buyer as soon as payment is verified >>
Probably the dumbest line so far on this thread. Just because you pay quickly doesn't mean you're a good customer. You could be the biggest ass in the world and pay on time but it doesn't mean I want to do business with you. Feedback covers everything, not just being a quick payer. It covers whether or not you have unrealistic demands, a constant complainer, etc, etc. I never leave a buyer feedback first. If a buyer doesn't leave me feedback, no biggie, I sell to sell, not chock up feedback. I may after a month leave feedback only because of the time length and the buyer has had a chance to complain, etc. >>
Perhaps if you had read the entire post, not just that part, it might have made more sense to you.
Payment by a counterfeit MO would not qualify for a positive feedback neither would a charge back if they decided to do so .
anyone here ever got a money order for a paypal only auction ?? or worse yet a Personal check ??
Tell me without smiling that that buyer deserves a positive when that payment arrives!!
My only negative came from a seller who neg me after I left positive feedback for him ,, because I emailed Him after 4 weeks to find out where my Items were .
Never again !!
Always Looking for Raw Proof Lincoln Cents !!
Griv you're just an immature brat. No other way to phrase it. >>
Well now, what an unkind thing to say. Did you even read the thread or are you just trying to be mean-spirited as well? Let me point out, here is me being a "brat", did you say?
I believe the buyer has the responsibility of either
1) leaving feedback first
2) sending an email indicating the transaction went well
3) contacting seller/open dispute
As a seller it is NOT wise to leave feedback simply because you have been paid. The buyer can raise all kinds of hell and your positive feedback puts you in the crack. I also send an email to any buyer and explain this to them so they know that I won't hold feedback hostage but I need to know if the transaction was acceptable before I give any feedback. Only 1 person refused but I was able to get an email from them so I gave them feedback. I never got any back from them.
The next post is from someone that understands where I am coming from.
I certainly agree with you. We've seen enough horror stories about bad buyers causing trouble even after they have paid to convince me otherwise. I don't believe in either side withholding feedback as a matter of policy until the other side has left theirs; as you mention, option (2) above is sufficient. If they tell me they received what I sent and don't give any indication they're not happy, I'll consider the transaction complete even if they did not leave feedback.
Now the next post is from fc, obviously we is NOT being a “brat”.
a seller who holds back on feedback right away is a wannabe in my
mind trying to protect themselves.
protect from what i ask? they just want the chance to act childish
and get the last word in!
that is the way i see it.
So I’m not sure what you point of insulting me is but I don’t like it. Maybe you should mind your own business as you seem to be a hateful kind of person with little important to say. "Griv you're just an immature brat. No other way to phrase it."
Man, you are just a
Edited to add: The coins I sell on eBay usually are not extremely high dollar. I take large, clear pictures, have a return policy and accept Paypal. I have no reason to fear a chargeback or anything else from an unhappy buyer. In short, I don't have unhappy buyers because I am forward about any problems the coin may have, etc. People who won't leave feedback first are many times (not always, of course) hiding something about the coin. There, that is what I have to say about this thread.
<< <i>Stuff yourself. >>
I just want other forum members to know what sort of person he is.
<< <i>I wasn't going to look at this thread anymore....but then Griv sent this to me via PM:
<< <i>Stuff yourself. >>
I just want other forum members to know what sort of person he is. >>
JMHO pms are supposed to be kept private.
on griv. most dealers do exactly what griv explained and he is in
the majority!
i speak plainly and bluntly. that is what gets most people all riled
up.
griv relax. we all have differing opinions and most of us here love
to debate them. i have to admit i like to make a bit of rivalry based
on opinions but alas.. that is just a fault of mine.
When I sell items on the bay, If I recieve payment in a timely manner, and it clears, I leave feedback immeadiately. I know I can get burned bad doing so, but I also believe the buyer has completed his end, so why should I wait till he leaves feedback?
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
Very unpleasant buyer, unrealistic, and demanding. Avoid him if he bids!
o
Follow-up by 250338 (Mar-22-06 10:33):
THE NEG FB WAS NOT UNREALISTIC AND IT WAS VERY PLEASANT GIVING IT TO YOU
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As far as I can figure in this feedback scenario, there was a total breakdown of communication between buyer and seller, while both show a lack of professionalism. One warns about the buyer because of feedback. This insinuates he didn't do his part in pleasing his paying customer. . One gloats at his ability to use the system to insult which shows immaturity. (tit for tat) What follows in this thread borders on character assassination. I don't understand this thread but it's gone way off track of U.S. Coins.
Maybe someone can post a Modern Coin in MS70 ?
<< <i>I wasn't going to look at this thread anymore....but then Griv sent this to me via PM:
<< <i>Stuff yourself. >>
I just want other forum members to know what sort of person he is. >>
Once again little man, you obviously show you do not read the theads you spew your vomit on. I posted I was going to tell you to stuff yourself and I did. Now once again, go stuff yourself.
<< <i>Maybe someone can post a Modern Coin in MS70 ? >>
Editerd: Wrong coin
<< <i>Only a rookie seller would not insure that the item was actually in the buyers hands before signing off. >>
Griv, I don't think that you are accurate.
Please don't ask me to out my 'rookie' sellers.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
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<< <i>Only a rookie seller would not insure that the item was actually in the buyers hands before signing off. >>
Griv, I don't think that you are accurate.
Please don't ask me to out my 'rookie' sellers.
If you work with a seller or a buyer long enough it becomes second nature but I'm talking about a new buyer with no track record. My selller/buyer record on eBay is all the proof I need.
These a sellers who didn't know me from Adam when I first bought from them.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
<< <i>Listen, pay attention, this is important. If a seller accurately describes a coin, and pictures it fairly, that then is what the buyer wanted. If that then is what the buyer gets, what is the fear? >>
What about a buyer who has an unusually large number of packages shipped to him which appear to go missing, who files a chargeback through PayPal and will not cooperate in filing an insurance claim for the "loss" of the item you mailed him? How's that for a reason?
<< <i>The seller, if not a fraud, should leave feedback when payment is cleared. Mike >>
eBay disagrees with you.
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<< <i>Listen, pay attention, this is important. If a seller accurately describes a coin, and pictures it fairly, that then is what the buyer wanted. If that then is what the buyer gets, what is the fear? >>
What about a buyer who has an unusually large number of packages shipped to him which appear to go missing, who files a chargeback through PayPal and will not cooperate in filing an insurance claim for the "loss" of the item you mailed him? How's that for a reason?
<< <i>The seller, if not a fraud, should leave feedback when payment is cleared. Mike >>
eBay disagrees with you.
Insured, Delivery Confirmation, (more expensive) Signature Confirmation, (very expensive) Registered, Delivery Confirmation. Mike
<< <i>Insured, Delivery Confirmation, (more expensive) Signature Confirmation, (very expensive) Registered, Delivery Confirmation. Mike >>
Tried getting Delivery Confirmation or Signature Confirmation on international shipments lately? Try it and let me know how it works for you.
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<< <i>Insured, Delivery Confirmation, (more expensive) Signature Confirmation, (very expensive) Registered, Delivery Confirmation. Mike >>
Tried getting Delivery Confirmation or Signature Confirmation on international shipments lately? Try it and let me know how it works for you.
Sorry, I only ship to the USA. (but you got me on a techno)
<< <i>Sorry, I only ship to the USA. (but you got me on a techno) >>
It's not a techno- it's reality.
I don't mean to be jumping down your throat on this (nothing personal, I assure you), but it gets awfully frustrating when one sees (over and over again) people assuming that because sonmething is so for them, it's so for everybody else.
eBay says it's okay for people to make their own determination about when to leave feedback, and about who should go first. Why can't that be good enough?
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<< <i>Insured, Delivery Confirmation, (more expensive) Signature Confirmation, (very expensive) Registered, Delivery Confirmation. Mike >>
Tried getting Delivery Confirmation or Signature Confirmation on international shipments lately? Try it and let me know how it works for you.
Sorry, I only ship to the USA. (but you got me on a techno) >>
"techno" alludes to "technology" which I don't think you meant.
I think you tried to abbreviate for "technicality"
(gee...I hope I spelled that right or else I will end up looking dumb
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>More from Griv: "It is against the forum rules to disclose a PM for any reason without the sender's okay. You are toast you idiot." I honestly don't care if I'm not supposed to post PMs. Griv is harassing me and I just want all to see the type of person he is. I have not PMed him once and he has PMed me twice. I'm sure more are coming. >>
Great feature is the ability to block PMs from folks you choose to block. Go into your PM menu and look to the bottom right.
I've used it on "certain" folks
The other thing...it is considered bad form to post PMs but if someone is harassing or just using "bite me" type PMs, that is another thing entirely.
Never PM what you do want posted. There is no 'rule' about it. Sounds like something from gradeschool
Also, some people have quite the big ego when hidden behind a computer screen and keyboard. I try to make sure I never type what I wouldn't say to someone's face...like it or not. Others don't do that...they think they are quite tough online.
Just block him and move on.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>I wasn't going to look at this thread anymore....but then Griv sent this to me via PM:
<< <i>Stuff yourself. >>
I just want other forum members to know what sort of person he is. >>
JMHO pms are supposed to be kept private. >>
Posting "Private" PM's is just immature, and thats all I can say about that.
<< <i>More from Griv: "It is against the forum rules to disclose a PM for any reason without the sender's okay. You are toast you idiot." I honestly don't care if I'm not supposed to post PMs. Griv is harassing me and I just want all to see the type of person he is. I have not PMed him once and he has PMed me twice. I'm sure more are coming. >>
I'm not harrassing you I am laying for all to see what a jerk you are. You started by insulting me and you've been warned about PMs. Nothing I said there I won't say here, you are a putz and a punk. Get off the boards before someone calls your mommy.
<< <i>You're right, Bochiman. I should be the bigger man and just let it die. I've blocked him
But you're not, you are a punk and a putz.
Edited to include: You doh are a real troublemaker and not someone we need on the board. You started insults for no reason then to harrass me. You have been reported to the admin and I hope you get a boot. As for your lie about the PM, you sent none and my PM intentions were posted before you got them. You were warned by other members to skip the insults but you didn't care, you just want to piss me off. So once again I recommend you stuff yourself.
Carol ? This thread is not about coins.
<< <i>More from Griv: "It is against the forum rules to disclose a PM for any reason without the sender's okay. You are toast you idiot." I honestly don't care if I'm not supposed to post PMs. Griv is harassing me and I just want all to see the type of person he is. I have not PMed him once and he has PMed me twice. I'm sure more are coming. >>
against the rules posting trash pm's full of obsenities and threats, I think not. We had a clown here in the earlydays, washingtonman. He pm'd me obsenties and obnoxious comments about my family, which I not only posted on the boards to show him for what he is, I also forwarded it to carol so she could properly dispose of the clown, which she did
send me a pm like that, and I will do the same to you
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
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<< <i>a seller who holds back on feedback right away is a wannabe in my mind trying to protect themselves. >>
FC, I agree with you. I don't always, but you make a good point there.
Griv you're just an immature brat. No other way to phrase it. >>
Let me once again post the FIRST post from doh. Now who started what?
fc even posted a nice post to let me know he really wasn't meaning to gett down on me and that he gets a little too passionate. Cool, me too, so we're cool. So where does this "doh" guy get off insulting me for no reason that to pick a fight?