Calling all Ike Guru's

Morganmanic

Hello everyone.

Please let me know if you think this might be a 1972 Type 2?





Thanks

Russ

Yes, it's a Type 2.

Russ, NCNE

Morganmanic

Russ

I just bought this is a lot of 4 Blue packs. I paid 5 dollars a piece for each Blue pack. I was not expecting a Type 2.




Any idea of grade

Russ

These are the 40% silvers. The Type 2 applies to the 1972 P mint clad.

Russ, NCNE

dbldie55

If I recall, all blue pack 1972's are type 2. The 1971's are type 1 and the 1973's are type 3. You can use these three 40% coins as examples to attribute your clad 1972's.

Rampage

Actually, before you even stated they were blue packs, I could tell by the images in your first post that they were 72S silvers. And, Russ is correct, all 1972S silvers sport the type 2 reverse.

Rampage

<< <i>If I recall, all blue pack 1972's are type 2. The 1971's are type 1 and the 1973's are type 3. You can use these three 40% coins as examples to attribute your clad 1972's. >>



This is also correct, and when I was new to IKE variety searching, this is what helped me see the difference between the three types.

Morganmanic

I was going from the info in this link I guess I misunderstood

Link

19Lyds

Getting confused is understandable since it IS a confusing situation!

Keep in mind that the Type 2 reverse was intended as a Proof coin reverse (high relief/multiple strikes). However, it was also used on the 40% Silver Business strike coin because but these were of a softer metal alloy than the copper-nickel coins.

The rarity of the Type 2 reverse is only because one of the die's ended up being used on the Philadelphia "Copper-Nickel Clad" production line. Speculation is that it was an experiement in seeing how well a proof die would hold up against the harder copper-nickel planchets. At the time, each reverse die was good for about 130,000 strikes. Keeping in mind that this is a relative figure which may or may not apply to each die used. The copper-nickel Type 2 coins suffered from a die crack in the word STATES on the reverse which could have meant a lower number. Or it could have meant a higher number as I certainly do not know for sure. Perhaps ModerDollarNut will get in on this. He has a real grasp on what was going on with the Type 2 clads.

Typically, when folks ask about how to identify a Type 2 reverse (RDV-002) we point them to the Silver Clad coins where the Type 1 (RDV-001) is the 1971-S, the Type 2 (RDV-002) is the 1972-S and the Type 3 (RDV-003) is the 1973-S 40% Silver Business Strike.

Sorry for the confusion.

ModernDollarNut

"Perhaps ModerDollarNut will get in on this. He has a real grasp on what was going on with the Type 2 clads."

I'm blushing as I grasp for something remotely intelligent to contribute. Problem is the Ike Group does have something to say about the '72 T2, in fact A HECK OF A LOT TO SAY, but we are constrained to keep our lips shut and fingers still until our work sees the light of day in a coin magazine near you.

What Lee laid out is basically right on, as usual. The low relief 1971 reverse dies were good for an average of 120,000 coins per the US Mint. Problem is, the T2 reverse was in high relief (and probably not the improved steel available somewhere earlyish in '72) and the die-crack indicated it was "cracking up" somewhere in MDS. If Del Romines was right, mid MDS is probably somewhere in the range of 25,000 Ikes. But that is not the whole story.

It is as far as I want to go for now. We have a long article cooking that lays out the entire fascinating T2 story so the rest will have to wait, sorry. Rob Ezerman