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Pujols NOT in Mitchell report - McGwire is in it 46 times

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Albert Pujols is not in the Mitchell report. I have downloaded it in .pdf format and searched "Albert" and "Pujols". The searched found those words zero times. I searched "McGwire" and that searched came up 46 times.

Shane

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  • BeanBoneBeanBone Posts: 77
    Yep, not in the report.

    As an Astros guy I'm not exactly the biggest Pujols fan out there image But for some reason he didn't seem like the type to me. I'm glad he wasn't in the report, if only for your sanity image
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  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭
    That's good news for baseball, as I stated before, if he were using, it would have had to have occurred before his call up, he was too consistent early on with no spike in performance.
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  • prscott933prscott933 Posts: 1,976


    << <i>Albert Pujols is not in the Mitchell report. I have downloaded it in .pdf format and searched "Albert" and "Pujols". The searched found those words zero times. I searched "McGwire" and that searched came up 46 times. >>



    I did the same thing! SWEET
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  • JeremyDie1JeremyDie1 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭
    What about Thomas? Any info guys?
  • prscott933prscott933 Posts: 1,976
    "Among current players I asked to interview were five who have spoken publicly
    about the issue. When I did so, I made clear that there was no suggestion that any of the five had
    used performance enhancing substances, and I repeat here that clarifying statement. Four of the
    five declined. One of them, Frank Thomas of the Toronto Blue Jays, agreed. His comments
    were informative and helpful."
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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    Agreed...very good that Pujols was not in that report.
  • prscott933prscott933 Posts: 1,976
    next Frank Thomas entry...

    "Players also were quoted in the article, with Frank Thomas of the Chicago White Sox
    saying that he’d “love to see testing” and future Hall of Fame member Tony Gwynn of the
    Padres calling steroids “the big secret we’re not supposed to talk about"
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  • prscott933prscott933 Posts: 1,976
    next Frank...

    "We interviewed or consulted with many others whose views and information were
    very helpful, including: former Commissioners of Baseball Peter V. Ueberroth and Francis T.
    (“Fay”) Vincent; numerous law enforcement and other officials; experts from the United States
    Anti-Doping Agency, the World Anti-Doping Agency and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping
    Authority; John Dowd, who conducted the Pete Rose investigation; Don Hooton, chairman of
    The Taylor Hooton Foundation; Dr. Gary Green; Dr. Jay Hoffman; Frank Thomas of the Toronto
    Blue Jays; and many others."

    sounds like Frank was a lot of help
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  • MajorDanbyMajorDanby Posts: 1,343
    im surprised brady anderson wasnt mentioned. that guy had to be on something.
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  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭
    Good news!
  • JeremyDie1JeremyDie1 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭


    << <i>next Frank...

    "We interviewed or consulted with many others whose views and information were
    very helpful, including: former Commissioners of Baseball Peter V. Ueberroth and Francis T.
    (“Fay”) Vincent; numerous law enforcement and other officials; experts from the United States
    Anti-Doping Agency, the World Anti-Doping Agency and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping
    Authority; John Dowd, who conducted the Pete Rose investigation; Don Hooton, chairman of
    The Taylor Hooton Foundation; Dr. Gary Green; Dr. Jay Hoffman; Frank Thomas of the Toronto
    Blue Jays; and many others."

    sounds like Frank was a lot of help >>




    Thanks. If I remember right Gywnn and Thomas were the few who came to address this in the '90's.
  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭
    Frank started a "say no to drugs" type campaign in the early '90s when steroids were gaining prominence. I have to wonder if this issue was a driving force in his open comments about drug use for the last 15 years.
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  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭
    What's the link for the report?
  • prscott933prscott933 Posts: 1,976


    << <i>What's the link for the report? >>



    http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071213/mitchell_report.pdf
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  • css23css23 Posts: 297
    So basically Mitchell and his firm along with federal help put the squeeze on clubhouse attendants and trainers they could link to steroids through pharmacies/mail and pressured them to cough up names?

  • jrinckjrinck Posts: 1,321 ✭✭
    Now that the "official" list has been published, it's going to lead to all sorts of speculation as to who might have been left off.

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  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,097 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am not a lawyer, but I would like to be Albert Pujols' attorney about right now. A major media outlet "leaking" his name like that, and it turns out to be false. I would be pretty ticked.

    Shane

  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I am not a lawyer, but I would like to be Albert Pujols' attorney about right now. A major media outlet "leaking" his name like that, and it turns out to be false. I would be pretty ticked. >>



    At the same time, it's sweet vindication...I bet he finds a level of humor in it.
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  • prscott933prscott933 Posts: 1,976


    << <i>I am not a lawyer, but I would like to be Albert Pujols' attorney about right now. A major media outlet "leaking" his name like that, and it turns out to be false. I would be pretty ticked. >>



    he can be ticked, but i think he should take the high road again and not worry about it.
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  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭✭
    It's great for baseball and Albert Pujols that he's not in the report...but that doesn't mean he never took steroids and/or HGH. If the hitter widely regarded as the best or second best in the game was in the report, that would be very damaging for baseball. As it is, most of the players in the report are retired or close to it.
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  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    Has anyone taken the time to condense the 409-page report into a simple list of names? My connection here at work is slooooooow.

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  • gosteelersgosteelers Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I am not a lawyer, but I would like to be Albert Pujols' attorney about right now. A major media outlet "leaking" his name like that, and it turns out to be false. I would be pretty ticked. >>



    Let's sue everybody, that will solve the whole mess...
  • gosteelersgosteelers Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It's great for baseball and Albert Pujols that he's not in the report...but that doesn't mean he never took steroids and/or HGH. If the hitter widely regarded as the best or second best in the game was in the report, that would be very damaging for baseball. As it is, most of the players in the report are retired or close to it. >>



    How accurate is this report if Bret Boone isn't in it? Hasn't he almost been about 100% convicted on this?
  • prscott933prscott933 Posts: 1,976


    << <i>
    Let's sue everybody, that will solve the whole mess... >>



    i'm going to have to sue you for that statement image

    well, maybe not but i am going to quit the hobby because of it image
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    jeremy, thanks for list..
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    David Justice surprises me.... none of the other names do.
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    Heh, 11 former SF players out of the 79 listed.

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  • TheMcgwireMuseumTheMcgwireMuseum Posts: 631 ✭
    McGwire's only in it 46 times because they cite the widely known incident when the reporter saw the andro above his locker so many times. 11 of the 46 are in the 'sources cited' notes.
  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Just because he wasn't mentioned doesn't mean he's not an offender. No one can be sure in this day and age. However, by not being named in the report he certainly retains the presumption of innocence.


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  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,252 ✭✭✭✭
    McGwire and Sosa are not named in the report. McGwire is in the papers as not being interviewed. Same with Sosa. I think it will take a few days to clear up who is and who isn't in the report. I will admit that Brett Boone was great and one morning woke up and fell off the face of the earth. Let's face it guys the list is very vague.
  • chaz43chaz43 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭
    You guys who invested in Pujols should thank the gods !!!! You lucky turkeys. Clemens investors are not so lucky. I got screwed by bonds, I am sitting on a ton of wax and cellos. I heard Pujols initially and said uh....oh... those guys that put all that cake into him are gona get screwed...but I held my fire..... chaz
  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    i got laughed at by a couple of friends of mine because i said Tejada would be on the list last year. Guess i was right. Thank you to the Angels orginization for not picking him up.

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    I agree, not too many suprises on the list.
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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>i got laughed at by a couple of friends of mine because i said Tejada would be on the list last year. Guess i was right. Thank you to the Angels orginization for not picking him up.

    Quote by Roger Clemens to his son---" Do whatever you have to do to win" >>



    Show where it says that someone, anyone actually saw Tejada take steriods.

    Don't worry, I'll save you the time, it doesn't.
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    I'd like to see them start testing for HGH now . . then you'll see a whole new list of players IMO
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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Of course, because Pujols wasn't mentioned in this report, that means he never took steriods.

    It's funny how we believe whatever we want to believe.
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  • gosteelersgosteelers Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Of course, because Pujols wasn't mentioned in this report, that means he never took steriods.

    It's funny how we believe whatever we want to believe. >>



    The Pujols people will. They live in a red and white colored world 24/7...
  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,097 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Of course, because Pujols wasn't mentioned in this report, that means he never took steriods.

    It's funny how we believe whatever we want to believe. >>



    The Pujols people will. They live in a red and white colored world 24/7... >>



    No, I do not. He is just a fantastic hitter and the one I enjoy keeping up with and watching the most. There are far more important things in my life. I agree, just because he wasn't in the report doesn't mean that he never took them. However, would you rather be IN the report, or NOT IN the report. With me, I'm just glad he's not in the report. He is just as innocent/guilty as Manny Ramirez or David Ortiz.

    Shane

  • 80sJunkie80sJunkie Posts: 1,314
    mcgwire is innocent
  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭


    << <i>mcgwire is innocent >>



    And you are not.
  • Brian48Brian48 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭
    That's the problem, you can't reliably test for HGH. There isn't practical test for one that can be adopted. The only way to "test" for it is to apply a blood test almost immediately after the athlete has taken it. Since HGH occurs naturally in the body, the only determinant of whether there's any doping is whether the HGH level is higher than normal, and even then, it's subjective.

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