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Little help please! BGS 8.5 compared to PSA 9

mmyncmmync Posts: 678 ✭
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Could someone explain to my why there is such a big price difference between a BGS 8.5 and a PSA 9?
I must be learning in all the wrong places because I was under the impression that BGS was worth atleast a half grade better then PSA and alot of times it is even a whole grade better. Basically, I am just trying to understand why there is such a big price difference between the two on (thepit.com)
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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>I was under the impression that BGS was worth atleast a half grade better then PSA >>



    That's your mistake.
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  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i> I was under the impression that BGS was worth atleast a half grade better then PSA and alot of times it is even a whole grade better >>



    It all depends. I have plenty of bgs 9.5 cards that would be psa 9's if I cracked them out and sub'd. There is no way bgs is always a grade higher than psa. Sometimes yes, but you can say the same thing for psa. It all depends on the grader, not the company.

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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    Though there are plenty of examples of exceptions to the rule, I think the vast majority of graded stuff falls within the same guidelines, so folks will be willing to pay roughly the same ammount for a BGS 9 as they would for a PSA 9. However, since BGS uses subgrades, I think lots of folks will pay primums for high subgrades in certain categories.
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  • mmyncmmync Posts: 678 ✭
    Hypothetically speaking, let's just say you where going to buy one of these without ever getting to see the actual card, would you buy the PSA 9 for $450.00 or the BGS 8.5 for $125.00?
    I know that you would never buy I card without seeing it, so just play along.
  • 1123581311235813 Posts: 610
    BGS does not have a good reputation. BVG, the arm of Beckett which grades vintage cards, is the one which has the reputation as being as good as, if not better, than PSA.
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>Hypothetically speaking, let's just say you where going to buy one of these without ever getting to see the actual card, would you buy the PSA 9 for $450.00 or the BGS 8.5 for $125.00? >>



    You should wait until AFTER the Mitchell report is released this week if you're looking to sink some money into an A-Rod rookie.

    If A-Rod becomes A-Roid, you'd have thrown your money away.
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  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    i just love those bccg cards,they are greatimage
  • leathtechleathtech Posts: 3,191 ✭
    No way Bud would let mitchell put Pay-rod's name in the report.
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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>No way Bud would let mitchell put Pay-rod's name in the report. >>



    I dunno. Considering how quickly he crossed his own super-agent to sign with the Yanks, makes me wonder.

    Just in case, I cashed out last month. If he's clean, I can pick another one up at some point down the road.
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  • envoy98envoy98 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭


    << <i>BGS does not have a good reputation. BVG, the arm of Beckett which grades vintage cards, is the one which has the reputation as being as good as, if not better, than PSA. >>



    Who ever said that? BVG is just as much of a joke as BGS is. It's the same graders. BCCG is the only one that separates and don't even get me started on BCCG. All the companies have their problems but back to the OP's question. Depending on the subgrades, the BGS 8.5 could sell very well. The price you see listed there isn't too far off though: Here are the first few I found.

    Raw - @ $100
    PSA 8 $130
    BGS 8 $94
    BGS 8.5 $125
    BGS 9 $370
    PSA 9 $376

    Also of note, on that particular card, a 9 is much more difficult to get than an 8. It's one of a handful of modern cards that commands a substantial premium in a 9 over an 8. The 93 SP Jeter and 93 SP Bettis are a couple of others. If you find a really nice BGS 8.5 that you're convinced hasn't been "fixed", then give it a go and try for a 9. Usually corners and edges will be your biggest problems.
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  • SportsItUpCardsSportsItUpCards Posts: 2,547
    <<It all depends on the grader, not the company.>>

    Shouldn't the company have good graders, to represent it?

    Shouldn't the company fire, and get better graders, or train them somemore, until they are able to do a good job?

    Shouldn't the company be held responsible for having bum graders?

    The company is all about the graders, so they should do a good job! image

    Giovanni
  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i><<It all depends on the grader, not the company.>>

    Shouldn't the company have good graders, to represent it?

    Shouldn't the company fire, and get better graders, or train them somemore, until they are able to do a good job?

    Shouldn't the company be held responsible for having bum graders?

    The company is all about the graders, so they should do a good job! image

    Giovanni >>



    Yes

    Yes

    Yes

    Yes

    Too bad it doesn't work that way though.

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  • SportsItUpCardsSportsItUpCards Posts: 2,547


    << <i>

    << <i><<It all depends on the grader, not the company.>>

    Shouldn't the company have good graders, to represent it?

    Shouldn't the company fire, and get better graders, or train them somemore, until they are able to do a good job?

    Shouldn't the company be held responsible for having bum graders?

    The company is all about the graders, so they should do a good job! image

    Giovanni >>



    Yes

    Yes

    Yes

    Yes

    Too bad it doesn't work that way though. >>




    True!

    But they definetly should shake things up, every now and then image

    Giovanni
  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭
    I agree. I sent back 6 psa 10 cards for review. I did not think they were 10 worthy. Only two were given 9's while the other four remained 10's.


    I of course like psa but like I said, it depends on the grader.

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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>BVG, the arm of Beckett which grades vintage cards, is the one which has the reputation as being as good as, if not better, than PSA. >>



    Really? I've never heard that one before.
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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>I sent back 6 psa 10 cards for review. I did not think they were 10 worthy. Only two were given 9's while the other four remained 10's. >>




    So, did PSA compensate you for the 2 that were reduced, or was this a purly selfless move on your part?
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  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I sent back 6 psa 10 cards for review. I did not think they were 10 worthy. Only two were given 9's while the other four remained 10's. >>




    So, did PSA compensate you for the 2 that were reduced, or was this a purly selfless move on your part? >>



    I didn't say I sub'd them. They were 10's I purchased on ebay that imo should not be 10's.

    I was given vouchers for the two that were reduced.

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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>I didn't say I sub'd them. They were 10's I purchased on ebay that imo should not be 10's.

    I was given vouchers for the two that were reduced. >>



    Did you have to pay a fee for the card review?

    Did you get 1 grading voucher per card, or a certain number of vouchers based on the card's value?
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  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I didn't say I sub'd them. They were 10's I purchased on ebay that imo should not be 10's.

    I was given vouchers for the two that were reduced. >>



    Did you have to pay a fee for the card review?

    Did you get 1 grading voucher per card, or a certain number of vouchers based on the card's value? >>




    Nope, no fee.

    I put a note in with the sub saying what I paid for each card. In my case, 24.99 each. I received 50.00 in vouchers which I appreciated.

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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>Nope, no fee.

    I put a note in with the sub saying what I paid for each card. In my case, 24.99 each. I received 50.00 in vouchers which I appreciated. >>




    They sorta made it worth your while then. I figured that if PSA was going to do this, they'd have to make it tasty enough for people to actually do it.

    I'd probably have to be in the hole >$50 before I'd make a fuss. I've got a PSA 10 that I picked up for $15. It's obviously overgraded, however, I'm not going to spend $2 to ship a card I spent $15 on, just to have a $2 card come back with a voucher that I'd have to spend $15 in postage fees to take advantage of.
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  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭
    Yup, I agree. That was why I let them build up before I sent them in.

    I still have a few more that are pop 1's but won't send them in till I have another to take it's place.

    I guess I'm a little picky image

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  • OverratedOverrated Posts: 454 ✭✭
    If the label does not say PSA! then you never know whats inside.
  • srs1asrs1a Posts: 398 ✭
    I will strongly disagree with one of the previous posts.

    My experience is that BVG is horrid, especially since they stopped using subgrades. A nasty corner ding can still land in a BVG-8 holder. I'm comfortable with purchasing PSA and SGC cards based on an eBAY scan -- BVG, never again.

    That being said, I think BGS is pretty solid -- especially their old holders (subgrades on the back). I believe that they started out tough as nails and have lessened their standards more recently. I have had very good luck with crossing BGS 8.5's into 9 holders -- but you need to pay attention the the subgrades. If it has weak corners or centering, forget about it. If it got whacked for edges or surface, your chances are quite good.

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  • RawPlusSlabbedRawPlusSlabbed Posts: 166


    << <i>BGS does not have a good reputation. BVG, the arm of Beckett which grades vintage cards, is the one which has the reputation as being as good as, if not better, than PSA. >>



    I completely disagree with this. BVG is not respected with vintage collectors. BGS is highly respected with the modern collector set.
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