my new CBH - watcha think?

prooflike

Just got this in the mail today. Watcha think, accurately graded at XF45? The coin does have a little hint of remaining luster.

It is a Lettered Edge - does this one have an Overton number (I know very little, actually nothing, about CBH's)... Thanks!

123cents

Yes, it has a overton. There are 23 different die marriages for 1836.

MidLifeCrisis

<< <i>I know very little, actually nothing, about CBH's >>


I'm not trying to be mean or picky but...why would you buy a coin like this without knowing at least a bit about it?

Not long after I had started back collecting again, I paid much too much for a Liberty Nickel in proof 66. It was a common date, as proofs go and I ended up trading it at quite a loss. I bought the coin because it was nice looking and because I mistakenly thought that proof 66 made it a special coin. I didn't know anything about it and it cost me.

prooflike

OK, I know a little about pricing...

OKbustchaser

Yes, it has an Overton number...115. As for XF-45, from your pics, I don't think so. My first thought was high VF. But, looking at the talons on the eagle and accepting your statement that it still retains a bit of luster I could accept 40.

JRocco

Based on what I see, I would go about 40 on this one. Wear makes it look low XF

mozin

Sorry, but I would not grade this one XF.

lordmarcovan

<< <i>I'm not trying to be mean or picky but...why would you buy a coin like this without knowing at least a bit about it? >>

Why, to learn more, of course!

"Learning through ownership" is a time-honored method, at least with me. (Exactly what I am practicing with my current Roman coin collection).

I don't agree with XF45 on that, either. It is an adequate coin with average eye appeal, but I fear it's overgraded in that holder. I'm more of the 30-35 opinion on it, and could say XF40 on a good day, at best. Perhaps there were some soft strike issues taken into account when it was graded?

MidLifeCrisis

<< <i>"Learning through ownership" >>


...can be a very expensive way to learn! But I understand what you are saying LordM.

I would employ the "Learning through Ownership" method on cheap coins for which a mistake would not matter much. I assumed that the coin in the OP did not fit that definition.

Stuart

<< I don't agree with XF45 on that, either. It is an adequate coin with average eye appeal, but I fear it's overgraded in that holder. I'm more of the 30-35 opinion on it, and could say XF40 on a good day, at best. Perhaps there were some soft strike issues taken into account when it was graded? >>

I agree with LordMarcovan's above quoted comments and observations. From the photos provided, the coin appears to have been cleaned, and also appears to be devoid of any original mint luster.

jdillane

Looks like she may have had a soap and water bath. I would not be surprised to see mint luster on her either. I'd say VF35 +/-.

Who's slab?

astrorat

Congrats on the CBH. It's a fun series...and they all have Overton numbers. The specific coin you pictured I would grade as a VF-35 that has been cleaned at one time. However, this is very common for these coins and many end up in top tier slabs. If you are interested in continuing with the series, but at least two books. The Overton book and the second edition of Bust Half Fever. Together they will cost you less than a nice EF and are great references...and Bust Half Fever is a good read as well.

Lane

LindeDad

I will note that as mentioned the 1836 was the last year of the screw press and that year they used a lot of dies that where left over from previous years. So what we might be seeing in your image and what the graders saw in hand are two different things. Worn dies give the appearance of increased wear, when in truth it is a strike characteristic. As for cleaning unless it was abrasive it is a lot like wear and seems to be graded as such in these older series of coins in the EF and lower grades IMO.
I like the look of your coin and hope that it finds a happy home at your house, and if not contact me I have a blue box with a extra slot in it.

prooflike

I did some exploring at the different grades/wear & ...

I think Lindedad may have got it right, and this one has a striking issue. Below are images of a VF30, 35 & XF40.

Looking at the VF30 & 35, there is an evident flatness on the nose, cheek, throat and breast. On the coin in question, there is just some slight wear on the cheek and breast. Also, even though the stars are flat, there is luster on the points.

As originally posted this coin has a hint of mint luster, almost over the entire surface, about AU50 worth of luster and I think that is what the graders partially based the grade on.

The coin is free of hairlines, but probably has been 'brightened' at one time.

In hand, I see the coin as wear/strike at about XF40 and market graded to 45 for luster.

VF30

VF35

XF40


OP coin


and it is, for those that asked, in a PCGS slab:



I don't know, maybe I have some faulty thinking here??

Jeff

seemyauction

Congrats on the Bustie.....


If you would like to learn more about Varieties and Die States, take a look below at my sig line....

Nysoto

A lot of CBH's in the 1830's have worn dies with little or no dentilation and flat, drawn stars. The dies were lasting longer, and were wearing out as opposed to breaking up like in the early years, but I am not familiar with this die marriage.

PQMorgans

Nice Bustie, Its graded by the best PCGS.. If your happy with it that's all that counts , I would be happy with it also. I actually have a couple PCGS graded G6 Busties. I'll post a Tru View. Enjoy your collection

1794half1839

If you are going to get into Bust halves on a serious basis, you must read the suggested books, Bust Half Fever being a great read.