Heritage selling a jet plane and other cool items
Mark
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I just received a "Heritage For the Holidays" catalog. In it Heritage has about 50 really cool items for sale, including (among others):
F-5 Fighter plane (not in flying condition) $150,000
Original plaster mold for the Heisman trophy $295,000
A moon dust-smudged NASA lunat map used during Apollo 16 $150,000
A letter from Einstein commenting on anti-semitism $95,000
A bat Babe Ruth used $139,5000
Lincoln's second proclamation of amnesty $500,000
An 1820's miniature painting of Andrew Jackson attributed to Longacre $18,500
Two unfired 1845 Colt navy revolvers $49,500
And, to keep it coin related, a 1907 High Relief, Wire Edge St. Gaudens PCGS MS 69 $585,000 (the most expensive item in the catalog).
This is a very cool catalog. I almost pitched it when I got it in the mail from Heritage today because it looked like one of their (many) letters asking me if I wanted to sell my coins (which I don't). I am glad I decided to glance at the item before throwing it out!
F-5 Fighter plane (not in flying condition) $150,000
Original plaster mold for the Heisman trophy $295,000
A moon dust-smudged NASA lunat map used during Apollo 16 $150,000
A letter from Einstein commenting on anti-semitism $95,000
A bat Babe Ruth used $139,5000
Lincoln's second proclamation of amnesty $500,000
An 1820's miniature painting of Andrew Jackson attributed to Longacre $18,500
Two unfired 1845 Colt navy revolvers $49,500
And, to keep it coin related, a 1907 High Relief, Wire Edge St. Gaudens PCGS MS 69 $585,000 (the most expensive item in the catalog).
This is a very cool catalog. I almost pitched it when I got it in the mail from Heritage today because it looked like one of their (many) letters asking me if I wanted to sell my coins (which I don't). I am glad I decided to glance at the item before throwing it out!
Mark
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They were only built for export and are not fighters, but reconnaissance planes. So, they are listing it incorrectly. Iran has bought up several of them, planted a twin tail on it, renamed it "Thunder" and called it the equal of the F-18, it's little more than a decoy.
Does it give it's provenance? Do they say why it doesn't fly? New engines would cost more than the airframe, unless it's the old single engine version which would still cost more than the airframe.
I wonder if this sale is even legal and if it is, to make it flyable and fly it is probably illegal. Do they explain that part as well? To my knowledge, the military has only given one exemption in history to one individual to own and fly a single seater craft of this type and it crashed several years ago. It was an early model decommissioned F-4 and it was vastly superior to this craft. Not even in the same league.
I'm betting that Mig-17 is "grounded". The military frowns on such craft being in private hands.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
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<< <i>The retired engineer actually purchased three MIG-17 airframes; two for parts salvage and one to restore to flight condition. They were all imported from Poland without any resistance from the Federal govt. >>
Not till he tries to get clearance to actually fly one of them. That's when he will meet not just resistance, but threats of imprisonment.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
Here is (some) of what Heritage says about the F-5:
This is a full scale T-38 trainer version of the classic F-5 fighter, sans engine and hydraulics. It is actually assembled from two planes, and the rear section comes from a jet plane by the famed Thunderbirds USAF stunt fighters. This is a complete plane which could be restored and flown, but at present it is set up to be used as a movie prop. ... This very plane appeared in Apollo 13, Independence Day, Amegeddon, Hot Shots, Space Cowboys, Con Air, and Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery ... It is in excellent condition for play or display. ... The price seems quite modest, considering that Thornton Aviation reportedly sold a restored F-5 to one of the major aircraft corporations for $3.2 million.
That said, the MS-69 St. Gaudens also for sale is really stunningly beautiful!
As for flying, he said that you pull back on the stick, and go up. A minute or two later it starts getting dark out...
Burns fuel like you wouldn't believe, tho.
One of his buddies had a MiG and flew it. This was in the 1990s, so probably a different MiG than coindeuce's friend.
I haven't talked to him in years, but I hear second-hand that he still flies it.
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Here is (some) of what Heritage says about the F-5:
This is a full scale T-38 trainer version of the classic F-5 fighter, sans engine and hydraulics. It is actually assembled from two planes, and the rear section comes from a jet plane by the famed Thunderbirds USAF stunt fighters. This is a complete plane which could be restored and flown, but at present it is set up to be used as a movie prop. ... This very plane appeared in Apollo 13, Independence Day, Amegeddon, Hot Shots, Space Cowboys, Con Air, and Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery ... It is in excellent condition for play or display. ... The price seems quite modest, considering that Thornton Aviation reportedly sold a restored F-5 to one of the major aircraft corporations for $3.2 million.
That said, the MS-69 St. Gaudens also for sale is really stunningly beautiful! >>
The plot thickens. This is actually a two seater T-38 and not an F-5. It's a movie prop. The Thunderbirds never flew T-38s and I'm nearly certain about them ever flying any F-5s, they may have painted a few and trained in the 38s, but never flew them at shows. They did fly the F-105, the last of the true delta wings. What we have here is a misunderstanding of the USAF T-38 and the F-5 recon plane that was only built for sale to US allies, the ASAF NEVER flew them. I've ridden backstick in a T-38 and that's one hell of a rush, but it was years and years ago. Sounds like the older single engine version. It doesn't say if it's a single or two seater, single engine or two? That would give it away quickly. I'm not so confident of the marriage of a T-38 and an F5 being airworthy to begin with. They call it a T-38 and yet advertise it as an F-5? Classic? Laughably. The two have little in common but a semi-common airframe.
Excellent condition for play or display, but certainly not for flying. Without an engine or hydraulics it's just for show. As it is, it's just a full sized model. One can buy a much more advanced airframe elsewhere for less. It would cost millions to make it flyable.
As far as those who talk of others owning military fighters and flying them....... sorry, not believing they did it legally. They may have done it with a lot of cash to burn, but they wouldn't be asking for ILS/VOR clearance from a legit landing site, better know as an airfield.
Only one permit has ever been granted in history and that was to a retired, decorated, real USAF fighter pilot. When his landing gear failed, he wanted to bring it in belly down and was only talked out of it at the last moment and bailed. No one has ever survived an F-4 belly landing. I watched this F-4 tumble into a ball of flames traveling hundreds of miles an hour into a pile of melted, smoking slag a couple of miles downrange.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
It looks to me as if it has (or, more acurately, had) two engines both alongside the fuselage. Alternatively these might be air intakes because it also looks like there is only 1 opening--at the end of the plane--for the air to exit the engine. If you made me guess, I'd guess these are two air intakes. Sorry I can't tell more or be more specific. Does this (poor) description help you?
By the way, I did notice that Heritage said "engine" rather than "engines" in its blurb.
he restores them ...collects them...rents them out to movie companies.
used to be able to see part of his collection at about 71st street and 465 on the north west side as you're heading south on 465.
too much build of sub divisions to see it anymore.
very cool stuff.
<< <i> As far as those who talk of others owning military fighters and flying them....... sorry, not believing they did it legally. They may have done it with a lot of cash to burn, but they wouldn't be asking for ILS/VOR clearance from a legit landing site, better know as an airfield.
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O.K. then, I guess those pilots of the P-51's that I see at the airshow should be wary of NORAD.
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<< <i> As far as those who talk of others owning military fighters and flying them....... sorry, not believing they did it legally. They may have done it with a lot of cash to burn, but they wouldn't be asking for ILS/VOR clearance from a legit landing site, better know as an airfield.
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O.K. then, I guess those pilots of the P-51's that I see at the airshow should be wary of NORAD.
Nope, you're talking about prop driven planes. I'm quite familiar with the Confederate Air Force and they fly all types of prop driven planes, but they do have to go through a lot of red tape to do so. They have a working B-17 as well as a B-24 they fly at shows. They also have plenty of P-51s. I believe they have the only group of flying Japanese Zeros in existence. I once looked up and was shocked to see 6 Zeros flying in formation over my backyard, complete with the red rising sun emblem on the wings and fuselage. They fly all sorts of WWII planes along with some older ones as well. When it comes to single seater jet fighters, they don't even mess with the problems involved to fly them at shows. I've been told by them that it's basically not something the feds/FAA will allow. Only through tons of $$ and bureaucratic nonsense did the one F-4 get an exemption. There are several Migs in private hands in the US, but according to these guys, they are basically grounded with minor exemptions for one time flights and always on a closed course for movies and such. Never seen but the one F-4 with an FAA approved numerical identifier in big visible numbers on the tail and wings.
I have little doubt that some guys have flown Migs for short bursts and then landed quickly, probably at night. No doubt breaking several laws in the process.
I am aware of one other privately owned F-4 based at Ellington Field just south of Houston, but it can only be used for exhibitions and to do that, according to the owner, it literally took an act of Congress.
Such planes fall under the Federal Aviation Administration's "experimental" jurisdiction. In the agency's eyes, each flight is a sort of instructional sortie, operated under supplemental guidelines to ensure safety. So you just can't hop in one and take off somewhere for the weekend. Restrictions have become much tighter over the years.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
<< <i>I'm holding out for a P-38 or a P-51 Mustang.... >>
Only 7 P-38s remain flying. None are for sale.
Now if you're willing to settle for a P-51....... Check these out
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
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You will find interesting information doing a search on Darryl Greenamyer. He has been around forever and is the subject of the NOVA show "B-29, Frozen in Time". Verification of his personal F-104 Starfighter is several minutes into the film. Research on this (we did it and wrote to him . . . he was featured for years in Michael Levine's book "The Address Book -- How to Reach Anyone Who's Anyone") will show he not only handbuilt his own F-104 from scratch and a few spare parts, but set several time-to-climb altitude records (one of which still stands--the MiG-29 broke all his others).
Three private T-33s are currently at the Wendover Airport (2 flying), and there is one nice MiG-19 at the Heber airport. They are used quite publically at airshows in our area and the MiG owner is well-known.
Unconfirmed . . . I believe there is still one F-4 (J???) still privately flying. Was playing on the 'net 6 months ago and saw extensive pix when searching for privately owned ones.
I DO know of and have seen multiple T-33s, MiG 15s, and Polish knock-offs in private hands. Weapons-inert, but flying in front of thousands.
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<< <i>I'm holding out for a P-38 or a P-51 Mustang.... >>
Me, I'm holding out for a Heinkel He 280, the very first turbojet fighter ever built. As only 9 of them were ever built, and never got into production, I doubt any still even survive. Guess I'll have to settle for a Messerschmitt Me 262...
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