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DaBeef
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Ok, I hate the fact that we cant afford to keep Santana. That said, he must be traded because he wont resign with us. His Value will be little come the all-star break.
Torii Hunter was a fan favorite, but once again he outgrew the small market wallet, bye Torii with 2 i's. We will miss ya.
But Matt Garza NEEDS to stay here, its a joke to be thinking of trading this kid for a guy always in trouble (Delmon Young, D.rays) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3131988 . Garza will be a 15 -20 game winner for many years. His curve is sick, his fastball in high 90's.
What this new Twins GM is doing is dumping our studs now that the new stadium is going to be built. Who is next, Joe Mauer, Justin Mornuea, Micheal Cuddyer?
The Twins have a solid group of young ballplayers right now, If they somehow can keep them together they have a legit chance each year of contending.
Dont forget the Kid Liriano, went out with Tommy John 2 years back, he is back next year too. This kid was mean, I think he won like 12 out of 14 starts, era was below 2 and had more K's than Santana.
Sure will be fun watching a 60 win a season team play when the stadium is built...
Torii Hunter was a fan favorite, but once again he outgrew the small market wallet, bye Torii with 2 i's. We will miss ya.
But Matt Garza NEEDS to stay here, its a joke to be thinking of trading this kid for a guy always in trouble (Delmon Young, D.rays) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3131988 . Garza will be a 15 -20 game winner for many years. His curve is sick, his fastball in high 90's.
What this new Twins GM is doing is dumping our studs now that the new stadium is going to be built. Who is next, Joe Mauer, Justin Mornuea, Micheal Cuddyer?
The Twins have a solid group of young ballplayers right now, If they somehow can keep them together they have a legit chance each year of contending.
Dont forget the Kid Liriano, went out with Tommy John 2 years back, he is back next year too. This kid was mean, I think he won like 12 out of 14 starts, era was below 2 and had more K's than Santana.
Sure will be fun watching a 60 win a season team play when the stadium is built...
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that's debatable. Pitchers are such a crapshoot. it's too bad you cant hold onto one of the best 3 pitchers in baseball. He is going to command crazy money.
<< <i>I read that Yanks are offering Hughes, Cabrera, and another pitcher or two. I know that you have to give up a lot to get a lot, but I would hate to lose Hughes. Sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make, and I would rather they not do this. >>
The best you could possibly hope Hughes to be is as good as Santana, right? Why not do this when you're getting the proven commodity?
perhaps this just foreshadows a possible santana trade that will bring in more young pitching.
Bad move for the Twinkies...
<< <i>What this new Twins GM is doing is dumping our studs now that the new stadium is going to be built. Who is next, Joe Mauer, Justin Mornuea, Micheal Cuddyer? >>
hmmm, Boston has been looking for someone to backup Varitek.
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<< <i>I read that Yanks are offering Hughes, Cabrera, and another pitcher or two. I know that you have to give up a lot to get a lot, but I would hate to lose Hughes. Sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make, and I would rather they not do this. >>
The best you could possibly hope Hughes to be is as good as Santana, right? Why not do this when you're getting the proven commodity? >>
Gosteelers - I know what you're saying, but Hughes looks like he has the stuff to be a future # 1. He'a about 5 years younger, and for the first time I can recall the Yanks have a lot of great really young pitchers. I wish they would break with the old formula and just hold them. Also Cabrera is the best outfielder we've had in a long long time. He hits pretty well too, and it would be another tough thing to replace. My gut is for the Yanks to just stay put for once.
The exception to the rule is when that player has 1 year left on his contract and will declare free-agency after the season (ie Randy Johnson for Freddy García and Carlos Guillén).
First off, a small organization as smart as the Twins realize it's all about keeping your franchise type guys--but you can't keep more than a couple, there just isn't enough money. They will get a bounty for Santana and they will be fine for years. Remember, this is the team that traded jerkster A.J Perzinski and got not only Liriano, but Nathan back as well--they can scout. If they like Young, it's probably because a) they think he can hit but not only that, b) they have some more good young pitching coming up (and potentially getting 2 good young arms in the Santana trade).
I love Johan Santana and as a former Northern Ontario boy I used to be a big Twins fan as well (we lived about a 6 hour drive from the twin cities), in the good ol days of Hrbek and Brunansky. BUT, it is a small market, and they know what they're doing. You can't give one guy 25 million, no matter who he is because out of that 5 or 7 or 10 year contract, there will be at least one year when he's ineffective, when he's hurt or when he just gets fat and lazy counting his money (a la Bobby Bonilla perhaps, or maybe the best Twins move when they didn't resign NY boy Viola--I'm sure this made more Twins fans angry than anything, but look how well it turned out).
This team will contend every 4 out of 5 years, which is more than 75% of the rest of the league. It's just not like the old days anymore, alot of guys will only be there 5 years or so, but just deal with it. Taking a playoff spot 80% of the time is better than watching Torrie Hunter prance around hitting .260 making 15 mil--I'll take the playoffs, and a potential World Series, over any player anyday!
Jay
Remember though, the old Twins GM Terry Ryan stepped down, so its tough to trust in this new guy? The AJ trade was great, now I hear Nathan is on the block too though...
<< <i>as long as Boston can keep Ellsbury and Buchholz, I'd be fine with seeing Coco and Lester go to Minnesota
I second that!
They always seem to talk about "growing the talent", and they do the BEST job
of ANY franchise anywhere in doing so, but, in my opinion, after listening and
watching these guys .........and remember now, Hunter WAS my favorite Twin........
These guys are just plain GREEEEEEEEEEEEEDY! What I mean is, once you are
making $3-4-5-6-7 Million a year, how much freakin' money do you need?
Don't get me wrong, I am all for getting what you are worth, but, at some point
in time, do you EVER think about the city and fans that supported you when you
were having a bad year (And Hunter did have a couple bad years!). There is
absolutely NO loyalty anymore because of these greedy Agents that get their
big cut.
I realize there are many reasons a player wants to leave besides money, but,
come on folks, who is kidding who here? There is no sense of TEAM anymore.
It is all about one-upping the other guy. Johann Santana is a good pitcher and
he will probably get waaaaaaaaaaaaay more money than he is worth, but, again,
he gets all bent out of shape at the Twins and snubs his nose at them.
I guess my point is, IS that I am just sick and tired of rooting for a team, then get
settled in with one of my favorites and then, they want to up and leave because
of the ALMIGHTY $$$$$$$ !
Alex Rodriguez is another example of the almighty dollar, I don't care what he "CLAIMS".
He tried to screw the Yankees by pretending to be going elsewhere and then came crawling back
WITHOUT BORAS when he realized NOBOBDY was going to pay his ridiculous
asking price.
Isn't anyone else tiring of this same OLD STORY?
Tony
Though I'm a Pirate fan, I blame my team's ownership for their failures. Their ineptness is really the cause of their non competitiveness, not the market dynamics. But for teams like the A's and Twins who do it right, they constantly have to find the young players to replace the stars that get 'stolen' by the big money teams. That's why you get a few small market teams competing each year along with all the usual big money clubs who basically get to the playoffs based on how much money they spent the previous winter.
I could be GM and field a playoff contender if given enough money. I just go out and get Josh Beckett, Manny Ramirez, ARod, Santana, Texiera and maybe a Dontrell Willis to be a spot reliever and pinch hitter. My third string cather will be Jason Kendall and my utility infielder will be Jack Wilson. Meanwhile the small market teams are fighting for Sparky LaJoy who's the only free agent they can afford, all the while as they scout a junior high player in BFE, Nicaragua to find that next future Yankee all star left fielder.
Another thing that bugs me is that proponents of the status quo like to talk about all the different teams that have made it to the World Series lately. They seem to think that indicates a healthy parody. It's great that a lot of teams have had a chance to win, but I think that has more to do with the Wild Card than with the healthy state of baseball economics. I bet Chicago White Sox fans were thrilled when they won it all a couple years ago, but I bet they hated 2007.
I don't mean this to sound like a brag at all, but as a Red Sox fan I honestly feel fortunate that I know my team is going to try to win every year. I respect the heck out of teams like the Twins and the A's for what they try to do, but I wouldn't have the fortitude to live and die with them year after year, especially when I felt like it was more dying than living.
So how do they fix this?
Have some type of salary cap like football. It's the only way it's going to stop happening. Maybe contraction? Let's see, we can get rid of Florida, Tampa Bay, Oakland, Minnesota, maybe Texas, Pittsburgh.
wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're
going to feel all day. "
~Frank Sinatra
<< <i>So how do they fix this?
Have some type of salary cap like football. It's the only way it's going to stop happening. Maybe contraction? Let's see, we can get rid of Florida, Tampa Bay, Oakland, Minnesota, maybe Texas, Pittsburgh. >>
that's five of the last 20 WS winners! (or pretty close)
they could contract Minnesota and Milwaukee into one cold weather dominator....
<< <i>I have long proposed that they should consolidate the two Florida teams into one good team
they could contract Minnesota and Milwaukee into one cold weather dominator.... >>
I know I am in the minority BIG TIME ...... but if MLB would just do away with these teams that play in markets that have NO BUSINESS calling themselves "BIG LEAGUE" and get back to a consolidated true MAJOR LEAGUES with rosters stacked top to bottom with real BIG LEAGUE players and not the infinite minor league caliber talent that poisons so many rosters now then baseball would really be something to watch.
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<< <i>Ok, I hate the fact that we cant afford to keep Santana. That said, he must be traded because he wont resign with us. His Value will be little come the all-star break. >>
Don't blame the players, you have one of the richest owners in MLB with shallow pockets.
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<< <i>Ok, I hate the fact that we cant afford to keep Santana. That said, he must be traded because he wont resign with us. His Value will be little come the all-star break. >>
Don't blame the players, you have one of the richest owners in MLB with shallow pockets. >>
Proof? Im not saying he isnt. fyi.
Sincerely,
Scott Rolen and Jim Thome
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<< <i>What this new Twins GM is doing is dumping our studs now that the new stadium is going to be built. Who is next, Joe Mauer, Justin Mornuea, Micheal Cuddyer? >>
hmmm, Boston has been looking for someone to backup Varitek. >>
Varitek would be the 3rd best catcher on the Twins.
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<< <i>What this new Twins GM is doing is dumping our studs now that the new stadium is going to be built. Who is next, Joe Mauer, Justin Mornuea, Micheal Cuddyer? >>
hmmm, Boston has been looking for someone to backup Varitek. >>
Varitek would be the 3rd best catcher on the Twins. >>
All of Minnesota's pitchers would be better if Varitek was their catcher.
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<< <i>What this new Twins GM is doing is dumping our studs now that the new stadium is going to be built. Who is next, Joe Mauer, Justin Mornuea, Micheal Cuddyer? >>
hmmm, Boston has been looking for someone to backup Varitek. >>
Varitek would be the 3rd best catcher on the Twins. >>
All of Minnesota's pitchers would be better if Varitek was their catcher. >>
Ask Eric Gagne if Varitek made him better. Varitek is an adequate catcher. He would just be playing in Tripple A if he was with the Twins. Mauer and Varitek aren't even in the same league (with the bat and behind the plate) and Redmond is a better hitter and at the very least equal to Varitek in handling the pitchers.
<< <i>Ask Eric Gagne if Varitek made him better. Varitek is an adequate catcher. He would just be playing in Tripple A if he was with the Twins. Mauer and Varitek aren't even in the same league (with the bat and behind the plate) and Redmond is a better hitter and at the very least equal to Varitek in handling the pitchers. >>
uh huh. The two are not in the same league with the bat, that part I'll agree with. Varitek's ability to handle pitchers, lead, and manage a game is what makes him a better catcher than either of those guys.
<< <i>Id take Tek just to get Baby Jesus out from behind the plate. >>
Is that what they call Mauer?