Proving those X-Mas rack packs are bogus

plifter

I wrote to one of the winning bidders of a 1958 x-mas rack pack advising him that they were not legit. He became suspicous when the seller started trying to sell him more packs. He wanted to know if there's a way to prove they are bogus to file a claim with E-bay. Does anyone have some advice on proving these are bogus? I normally don't stick my nose in other people's business but I really hate to be scammed or see someone else scammed. It really hurts the hobby overall and drives values down on legit stuff because everyone is afraid they might get burned. Let's see if we can help this guy out.

RipublicaninMass

I got burned on a 55 topps rack before this board found me

BunchOBull

I bid on a fake item recently, wrote eBay with what proof I could supply of their fraudulent nature, and the next thing I know, I had been outbid by a "0" feedback user. Never heard a word from eBay either. It was all kind of odd. That's all I can recommend, have him write customer service with as much information about the Christmas racks as possible. Someone needs to step in and inform eBay about these things, someone with pull in the industry.

WinPitcher

Well isn;t this the seller that made the claim that Topps issued these/ if so , then right there he decieved the buyer as topps never issued those packs. Also it is admirable what you are trying to do but at some point people have to bare some respocibility on what they buy and do some homework b4 they buy. With that said IMO all the buyer has to do is (If he paid via paypal) is advise them and seek a chargeback.

Steve

flatfoot816

I do not think that you will be able to get solid proof that they are bad--

after all...none other than Mark Murphy trumpeted them on his website and on eBay. At the time, Mark was "the Guy" for unopened product. I even got suckered into buying a '55 and '62 based upon Mark's reputation. That is the last item I ever bought from him...and the rest as they say is history(as is Mark)

stevek

I don't believe ebay will ban this item because technically it's not an illegal item. It's the seller's descriptions which are usually fraudulent and at the very least misleading.

I mean they are Topps cards in "non-mint" condition such as say around EXMT, and you'll receive about 12 cards or 16 cards whatever it is.

Another problem is that there is no doubt in my mind that some sellers are "recreating" the original Xmas rack packs with a copied printed offset label and just wrapping the cards in plastic of some sort. However if there is no copyright or trademark infringement, which I don't believe there is, then that's legal as well. Sort of in the same way as it's legal to copy a T206 card, as long as it's described and sold as a copy.

So basically, ebay should ban the individual scammer sellers, but I doubt if they'll bar the product itself. Just my opinion - sometimes you never know what the Alfred E. Newman's running ebay are going to do.


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packCollector

it is actually worse now , the packs that are selling currently aren't even the ones from mark murphy. at least those were made a long time ago, the current ones on ebay are ones taht someone is making currently . bunch of crap

plifter

I guess it's all "buyer beware" but scammers do affect all of us indirectly. When you decide to sell your stuff, people will be skeptical no matter how legit your item is. That affects the value. I collect cards for fun and scammers take away the fun. It would be nice to see Topps step in and say that they never manufactured such an item.

julen23

shady dealings...

stupid xmas packs were bad idea 50 years ago anyway!

julen