When submitting bulk commons from 60s...

leadoff4

In order to get the best grades. Is it better to send all 50 or 100 together if they're all from the same year? They're all NM-MT or better and I'm just wondering if a grader will get used to seeing too many nice cards and downgrade some of them. Advice and experience needed. I've already sent in 2 of these. One came back a 9 and the other an 8.

CDsNuts

It has more to do with who grades your cards rather than how you submit them. It's all a crapshoot and there's really not a lot you can do in terms of increasing your chances at favorable grades.

hankcaddy

i have heard a few people say, send in 2 smaller batches, in case you get the grader from hell, only half your sub will get slammed

i have not snet in more than 30 cards at a time though

hank

leadoff4

I have 90 to send in. I'm thinking I'll send in 50 of all 1963 Topps and then in the batch of 40 there will be approx. 25 '63s, 5 '64s and 10 '61s. I'm pretty confident I'll get 10-20% 9s on these. I looked the 2 over I sent in previously and was right on with one a PSA 9 common and the other an 8 leaders card. There's at least 15 others that look just like the one that came back a 9 and 90% of the rest should be 8. The 45 day wait will kill me though.

ldferg

i've starting keeping my subs at less than 100 just for the fear of getting the grader of death. however, this is for 80s and 90s stuff, nothing from the 60s.

in addition, i've stopped sending a bulk sub all the same year. i can't tell a difference other than my eyes appear to be getting worse....LOL

thedutymon

Good day,
You know I've ranted and raved over and over on these threads about this problem. I've tried every different stratagy that's mentioned in this thread and every other thead on this subject in the last couple of years. The only thing I have seen with a consistency in the last 2 years is the number of "Trimmed Not Slabbed " cards go up, expotentially. As I've said over and over , prior to a couple of years ago, I could submit 5 submissions of 75-100 cards each and get maybe 1 or 2 trimmed cards out of all 5 submissions. Nowdays, the same cards, from the same packs, and out of the same 350-500 cards I am seeing 50-75 Trimmed. Why? One simple reason, because they know I am stupid enough and stubborn enough that I am going to Re-Submit them in the next submission. Ergo they get twice the Fee off the same card !!! End of story. I am sure all graders aren't exactly the same, but in the big picture you get what you get.

I live in the Rocky Mountains and drive each and every day through the 13 mile Glenwood canyon back and forth to work. Each year on average 1-2 people are killed by falling Boulders in this canyon on I-70. So if a Boulder falls and crushes me and my Truck, it was my day to die. No control, just like PSA.

The grades you get, even though we all like to think are more important than this, are 100 % out of our control. Sure smaller submissions probably means they are spread out over more graders, but also realize that if you have 150 1980 Topps baseball, you can split it into three submissions of 50 each all day long and they are still going to go to the Grader who has the most experience in that card area, in other words, and I have been told this by PSA, they still go to the same grader, they just make more off your shipping.

Everything above applies unless you are 4SC who are so good thay only pull 9's and 10's and a couple of others, but that's a whole other thread........................................

Just my Opinion,
Neil

SDavid

but also realize that if you have 150 1980 Topps baseball, you can split it into three submissions of 50 each all day long and they are still going to go to the Grader who has the most experience in that card area, in other words, and I have been told this by PSA, they still go to the same grader, they just make more off your shipping.

But would they have only one grader who handles common issues such as 80's Topps sets or 60's Topps for that matter?

Anyone know how many graders PSA employs?

leadoff4

On that note, my last sub was a 7 card group submitted under the $13/5 day special. There were 3 '63 Topps baseball, 1 '64 Topps baseball, 1 '72 Topps baseball, 1 '69 Topps baseball and 1 '61 Topps baseball. Were they all graded by the same grader?? I thought the grades were very accurate except for 1 card.

mealeworm

If you send them all together and get the "Grader Of Death" then you should have split them up.
If you split them up and your first batch gets great grades you should have sent them together.
I guess what I am trying to say is that comment about you can't control it- Is so TRUE

Dave

chaz43

<< <i>Good day,
You know I've ranted and raved over and over on these threads about this problem. I've tried every different stratagy that's mentioned in this thread and every other thead on this subject in the last couple of years. The only thing I have seen with a consistency in the last 2 years is the number of "Trimmed Not Slabbed " cards go up, expotentially. As I've said over and over , prior to a couple of years ago, I could submit 5 submissions of 75-100 cards each and get maybe 1 or 2 trimmed cards out of all 5 submissions. Nowdays, the same cards, from the same packs, and out of the same 350-500 cards I am seeing 50-75 Trimmed. Why? One simple reason, because they know I am stupid enough and stubborn enough that I am going to Re-Submit them in the next submission. Ergo they get twice the Fee off the same card !!! End of story. I am sure all graders aren't exactly the same, but in the big picture you get what you get.

I live in the Rocky Mountains and drive each and every day through the 13 mile Glenwood canyon back and forth to work. Each year on average 1-2 people are killed by falling Boulders in this canyon on I-70. So if a Boulder falls and crushes me and my Truck, it was my day to die. No control, just like PSA.

The grades you get, even though we all like to think are more important than this, are 100 % out of our control. Sure smaller submissions probably means they are spread out over more graders, but also realize that if you have 150 1980 Topps baseball, you can split it into three submissions of 50 each all day long and they are still going to go to the Grader who has the most experience in that card area, in other words, and I have been told this by PSA, they still go to the same grader, they just make more off your shipping.

Everything above applies unless you are 4SC who are so good thay only pull 9's and 10's and a couple of others, but that's a whole other thread........................................

Just my Opinion,
Neil >>



I don't agree that they all go to the same grader. I have gotten back submissions that are "Wildly" different for the same years so no way is it from the same grader. chaz

thedutymon

Good morning,
I didn't say that they would always go to the same Grader, just that the chances are they might. And still after my long winded rant, the bottom line is it is 100% a crap shoot. I've had cards in the same submission that were wildly different, and to this day I have never figured out why. A couple of years ago I played a little game with myself and submitted the same Non Sport card if I remember correctly, 6 submissions. Now I don't remember the exact grades but it was something like this: NM-MT 8, NM 7, VG-EX 4, MINT 9, NM-MT 8, and NM 7. Same Card, busted out and re-sub'd 6 times. Please explain the consistency to me.
Bottom line, it is as Lee say's, a Crap Shoot....Period !!!!!!!
If you get the Grader from Hell, your screwed, if the guy got laid the night before or got some that morning before work, It's your lucky day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Neil......................and by the way I leave for work way to early to even think about waking my Wife up.................can you say Dead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shouldabeena10

<< <i>I live in the Rocky Mountains and drive each and every day through the 13 mile Glenwood canyon back and forth to work. Each year on average 1-2 people are killed by falling Boulders in this canyon on I-70. So if a Boulder falls and crushes me and my Truck, it was my day to die. No control, just like PSA. >>



Don't you ever worry that it might be your mailman's "day to die" ... with your PSA submission riding along in his truck?

You should probably split your submissions into multiple mailings.

thedutymon

Good morning,
Oh My God, Oh My God.......I never even thought of that, Oh the inhumanity, have it drop on the Truck right on top of my submission. And probably the submission that has 80 cards in right now and the Grader gave 79 of them GEM 10's.
Oh and sorry about the mailman too.................

Neil