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MorganmanicMorganmanic Posts: 1,343
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What the heck are Rattlers and no line NGC Fatties. Please educate me.

RACC
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!

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  • IRCWCoinsIRCWCoins Posts: 895 ✭✭
    They are older holders from when the grading companies were more conservative. Here is a NGC no-line fatty. There is no barcode on it, and no line seperating the label from the coin.

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  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The rattler is the first gen, small holder. Called a rattler because often the coin was not seated tightly and "rattled". I think that there was nointernal plastic ring securing the coin.

    rattlers:

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  • MorganmanicMorganmanic Posts: 1,343
    Thank you both for the insight. Knowing the vanacular is important as well image
    RACC
    I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Photo added. Yes, learning the vernacular is important. For a long time I called the holders photographed above OGH - the OGH is different:

    image

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  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    BBEgo- you got any more pix of that 1909-O 25?image
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  • pendragon1998pendragon1998 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭


    << <i>They are older holders from when the grading companies were more conservative. >>




    May I just point out that a more accurate way to state the above would be to say, "...when the grading companies are widely-held to have been more conservative"? Not every older slab is a lock-upgrade. Some are under-graded by modern standards, some are over-graded, some are correctly-graded, but they're not all lock-upgrades. Now whether the proportions of those categories were different then than today is a matter of opinion.

    Just a thought image
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,791 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Photo added. Yes, learning the vernacular is important. For a long time I called the holders photographed above OGH - the OGH is different >>



    For the newbees---OGH = Old Green Holder



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  • ResplandorResplandor Posts: 401 ✭
    And here I thought a fatty was a big person and a rattler some kind of snake image

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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    or a big fat snake image
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Well, we do have a big snake on the Forum.

    It's an Anaconda. However, he is a pretty nice

    snake for all that.

    image
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    Camelotimage
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>BBEgo- you got any more pix of that 1909-O 25?image >>



    I do, but it's no longer my coin - and now resides in a PCGS 64 holder image

    A nice, clean transaction with a great board member, who shall go unnamed unless he gives me his permission.

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  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    Nice strike!!
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    Hmmm. I'm surprised nopbody brought up Conder's thread on PCGS Slab History!

    Everything you needed to know about PCGS Slabs but were afraid to ask!
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  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,336 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another great thread
    Larry

  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,768 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Man what a nice 09-o !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

    I don't know about all my constituents, but I really think this coin is undergraded.

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  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭
    Here's an even older NGC holder with the gold embossed reverse... by the way, I think this half is seriously undergraded.

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One of the next generation NGC Fatty Soap Bar Holders with Bar Code.

    image

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NGC Fatty Soap Bar Holder without Bar Code, NGC also at this time assumed all Type One SLQ's where FH's... and didn't add the FH designation.

    image
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A PCGS Rattler First Generation Holder

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    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭
    Unless you own one of the black NGC Gen 1 holders......it tough to have one older than my Buff.... image

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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>image

    I don't know about all my constituents, but I really think this coin is undergraded. >>





    i think you're absolutely right! image
    "government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
  • goldboygoldboy Posts: 463
    It should also be noted that the old PCGS rattlers had small plastic tabs that held the coins in place as can be seen in the photos. The tabs did not hold the coins in place all that tight so they "rattled".
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