An open apology.
I just wanted to inform the board members of a mistake I have made in trading on this forum.
I recently completed a trade with board member jim70mustang, in which I sent 26 red back 2007 UD Goudey cards in exchange for some 2007 A&G, consisting of 2 base, 3 regular minis, a Perez, and 2 flags.
Upon receiving my end of the trade, Jim informed me that 20 of the 26 cards I sent him were severely off centered. I feel terrible about this blunder. I have only been building the green set, using the red backs as filler until I can replace them; therefore, the cards I passed along to Jim were cards that I had already obtained the green variant of. It was not my intention to pass along duds, I sent Jim literally every spare Goudey I had. After going through my binder, I see that the red backs I've used as filler are also of largely 60/40, including some 70/30, centering.
I want to correct this error, the only way I know how is to return his end of the trade and make an open apology for sending sub-par product. I have also taken out the remaining 38 red backs that I have been using as filler and am passing them along to Jim as well. While they are of similar centering, they are all I have, as I have only opened 16 packs of Goudey.
I'm sorry if I've at all tarnished the credibility of this forum, it was not my intent to take anyone. I truly appreciate this forum, the many trades I've made, I only hope I can continue to have the privilege and that I can correct my mistake as best as possible.
Ross
I recently completed a trade with board member jim70mustang, in which I sent 26 red back 2007 UD Goudey cards in exchange for some 2007 A&G, consisting of 2 base, 3 regular minis, a Perez, and 2 flags.
Upon receiving my end of the trade, Jim informed me that 20 of the 26 cards I sent him were severely off centered. I feel terrible about this blunder. I have only been building the green set, using the red backs as filler until I can replace them; therefore, the cards I passed along to Jim were cards that I had already obtained the green variant of. It was not my intention to pass along duds, I sent Jim literally every spare Goudey I had. After going through my binder, I see that the red backs I've used as filler are also of largely 60/40, including some 70/30, centering.
I want to correct this error, the only way I know how is to return his end of the trade and make an open apology for sending sub-par product. I have also taken out the remaining 38 red backs that I have been using as filler and am passing them along to Jim as well. While they are of similar centering, they are all I have, as I have only opened 16 packs of Goudey.
I'm sorry if I've at all tarnished the credibility of this forum, it was not my intent to take anyone. I truly appreciate this forum, the many trades I've made, I only hope I can continue to have the privilege and that I can correct my mistake as best as possible.
Ross
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<< <i>I forgive you. >>
I don't.
Where are those Emmitt Smith cards you promised me?
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<< <i>I forgive you. >>
I don't. Where are those Emmitt Smith cards you promised me? >>
Emmitt Smith? Is that the guy who dances?
<< <i>I'll try to work on that Matt, did he have any baseball cards? >>
No but if you can get a hold of some Dancing With The Stars cards, I'll gladly take those.............not really
Back to your topic. It's pretty cool of you to come foward like this. I'm sure Jim will appreciate it
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<< <i>I forgive you. >>
I don't. Where are those Emmitt Smith cards you promised me? >>
Emmitt Smith? Is that the guy who dances?
You beat me to it
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Probably six or seven hundred UD Goudey cards have made their way across my desk over the last couple months and I have yet to see any that appeared "severely" off-center to me. I wouldn't mind seeing some examples of the offending cards that led to this. I'm just hoping that all this didn't come about because of 60/40 centering! Even if they were like 80/20, I doubt I'd say anything other than thank you. Obviously, I'm not privy to all the information here, but my guess is that you have little if anything to be apologizing for.
double secret probation
j
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I didn't like the set much anyway, it's no A&G.
I don't know all the details of this case, but it does not sound like anyone wanted to do something wrong.
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I was only working on the green set too so all my reds are stashed away. Not sorted but I can search out 20 of them I'm sure
<< <i>you're so in trouble.....
double secret probation
j >>
Flounder..."ya f*ed up, ya trusted us"
<< <i>Probably six or seven hundred UD Goudey cards have made their way across my desk over the last couple months and I have yet to see any that appeared "severely" off-center to me. I wouldn't mind seeing some examples of the offending cards that led to this. I'm just hoping that all this didn't come about because of 60/40 centering! Even if they were like 80/20, I doubt I'd say anything other than thank you. Obviously, I'm not privy to all the information here, but my guess is that you have little if anything to be apologizing for. >>
I agree, I have also handled 2K Goudey cards in the last month and none of mine were like that either (not calling Jim a liar). If he wanted PSA 10s, theres a site called eBay (however, I've never seen any graded Goudey cards). Here we are set builders, I know I don't mind if cards aren't perfect for my sets. Oh well, to each his own....
edited to say:
I misread your reply. I do appreciate it, but at this point, I want to wash my hands of the set. I may purchase it off of eBay later, but I'm not having fun with it now.
To borrow a line from Peter Griffin... This really grinds my gears. Don't let this experience bother you or dissuade you from future trades with other board members. Most, as you're likely aware, are incredibly easy and fun to work with and aren't gonna bust your balls over centering... I suppose it goes without saying that that's especially true for cards that run about 10 cents each, but I'll mention it anyway.
With very few exceptions, blunders that are corrected will be long forgotten in a day.
I've never had a bad trade here.
mike
Mistakes happen. Any of us that have traded with you before know you're a stand-up guy.
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know if you are a condition freak. I have been collecting modern sets for almost 8 years now and can tell you that topps
STILL has not mastered the even cut.
I have also seen runs of miscut cards. Quite frankly I tend to avoid the guys who want all mint sets. Its hard enough
finding guys a stack of cards, not to mention pulling multiple issues and sending them the best one. Of course is
something really off, Ill take the time to look, but expecting 50/50 all the way around in a big trade isn't really fair. I
would like to know if the person I'm trading with has that motive......and I don't mind at all ungrading a set, but it
takes time and effort to comb through multiple cards, checking centering and surface.
I don't think Ross has anything to worry about, he is backed here. I guess the condition freaks need to make their intentions
known before the trades...that will eliminate confusion.
It's been great trading with everyone here, less than 3 months until 08 heritage!!!
Kevin
Kevin, is it only 3 more months? Jesus, another job for Kurt to pay for it.
From here on out, I'm going to scan any cards that I offer in a trade. I'm too low budget to have multiple copies of 50/50 centered cards, much less single copies in 50/50, I trade what I have. The scans will help end any future issues.
Thanks again to everyone.
Ross
Steve
Dont lose any sleep over it, you went above and beyond to fix it.
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<< <i>I appreciate the comments guys. I feel a lot better and know I'll do what I need to do to correct the problem.
From here on out, I'm going to scan any cards that I offer in a trade. I'm too low budget to have multiple copies of 50/50 centered cards, much less single copies in 50/50, I trade what I have. The scans will help end any future issues.
Thanks again to everyone.
Ross >>
Ross, I've never traded with you, but we have traded PM's a couple times. I can tell you're a straight-up guy.
And I agree with Joe Stalin -- if you are a "condition freak," it would be helpful to warn others...