Pack break- 86/87 Fleer basketball, 84 Topps FB rack......

CDsNuts · October 29, 2007 11:42AM

I got my package today from BBCE which included two 86/87 Fleer basketball packs and an 84 Topps football rack box:

1st pack- nada, and I mean nada. Best card was George Gervin. and the cards weren't even centered well.

2nd pack- much better:

The Wilkins is a definite 9 and actually falls within 10 standards in terms of centering, but the 86's rarely get 10's even if slightly off centered. I expect a 9 which is about a $175 card. This pack almost paid for itself I think, but the first pack absolutely killed me. I will say that both packs were definitely legit and untampered with.

vintagetoppsguy · October 29, 2007 11:44AM

Nice! Now go bust open some of those rack packs and let us know what you get!

Clemaz · October 29, 2007 11:45AM

Very cool Spud Webb

CDsNuts · October 29, 2007 11:45AM

I was a little disappointed that the 84 rack box was an X out box, but it was clearly unsearched.

I decided to keep opening packs until I got at least one Elway and one Marino. I ended up getting two Elways before the Marino, but I still have a bunch of packs left (PM me if interested at $30 each plus shipping which is what I paid). Centering was typically all over the place, but corners are nice and sharp for the most part.

CDsNuts · October 29, 2007 11:48AM

As predicted, I lost several hundred dollars on this bust, but it was kind of a wedding present for myself, so screw it. A lot of fun. Without divulging pack sequences that I know about (don't want to teach the scammers), I was two cards away from pulling a nicely centered Jordan. I also got a handful of cards I'll be sending to PSA.

stown · October 29, 2007 11:54AM

<< A lot of fun. >>

And that's what matters

prscott933 · October 29, 2007 12:08PM

thanks for sharing!

Goot · October 29, 2007 12:12PM

If you don't mind me asking, what's an X out?

Ahmanfan · October 29, 2007 12:12PM

any of the 86/7 bkb that wasn't grade worthy I'll take, let me know what you have and your price.
John

ArnyVee · October 29, 2007 12:22PM

Any Dwight Stephenson rookies?

CDsNuts · October 29, 2007 12:27PM

Goot- X out boxes are the ones that were sent back to the Topps factory after retail stores retunred merchandise. Topps reboxed them and put a black X on the box and sold them at a steep discount. Basically the packs have been handled more than non X'ed boxes.

Ahman- I'm building a raw set, but I'll let you know if I have any doubles.

Arny- No Stephenson rookies.

stown · October 29, 2007 12:31PM

Since you're answering questions..

What is the meaning of life?

Allen · October 29, 2007 12:35PM

I don' think Fleer basketball has a packing sequence does it? Atleast not one that is consistent. Are you still building a fleer set? LMK if you have any doubles or extras.

BobaFett72 · October 29, 2007 12:43PM

fleer baseball wax in the 80's had very distinct pack sequencing. im sure the basketball did as well.

jamesryanbell · October 29, 2007 12:46PM

<< I don' think Fleer basketball has a packing sequence does it? Atleast not one that is consistent. Are you still building a fleer set? LMK if you have any doubles or extras. >>

Not one that was consistent, but a lot of the packs had cards in order. 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. It's not an "every time" thing, but it's very, very common.

There's an eBay guide about it.

Allen · October 29, 2007 12:58PM

Yeah since lee got 119, 120, 121 in the same pack, but he also got 53 Johnson in the same pack. I am guessing that is how he figured he missed the Jordan by a few. I knew you would get some mini runs in them, but I didn't think there was a set sequencing lke 1989 Fleer baseball.

CDsNuts · October 29, 2007 1:04PM

I guess this can't hurt that much to mention, but there are two alternating numeric sequences in every pack which can go in ascending or descending order. For example, a pack could look like this: 1, 25, 2, 26, 3, 27..... or it could look like this: 1, 27, 2, 26, 3, 25. 1987-88 Fleer works the same way. The catch is that there can be a break in any given pack where the cards are turned upside down and the sequence picks up at a random spot in the set.

Lee

Edit to say- If you ever open a pack and there is no rhyme or reason to the sequence, the pack has been searched.

Bosox1976 · October 29, 2007 1:27PM

Nice 'Nique Lee. A 10 on that would have been a monster. Thanks for sharing.

Stone193 · October 29, 2007 1:27PM

Good effort Lee.

I think it was a fun run and good entertainment for your wedding gift.

Good luck if ya get the Wilkins graded!

mike

ldferg · October 29, 2007 1:48PM

i'd like 3 of those racks. pm sent.

ldferg · October 29, 2007 1:50PM

is the centering like on your elway and marino typical throughout or did you get some centered better?

the nique looks very sweet. always liked that webb card as well.

mtcards · October 29, 2007 1:55PM

Most of the 80's packs had runs in them, but I honestly think they were "half pack" runs, where you got two seperate distinct runs. First year of hoops was terrible for runs. Back when I was in school, we had Kroger stores which got the big display packs, which I believe had 24 boxes each in them. We got to the first one by accident and saw they were getting them in. We went to 9 Krogers in the Knoxville area that night, spent over $400 on packs, because we knew the sequences. Ended up with over 400 each of David Robinson, Michael Jordan and Larry Bird. Plus because of the sequencing we got 400 RC's of unknowns at the time like KJ and Mitch Ritchmond.

Not my finest collecting moment on pack searching, but heck, I was in college, no job, no money. This paid for a years worth of beer

Rogermnj · October 29, 2007 8:04PM

Thats not the only sequence in the 86-87 fleer box.
The pack below picks up where the pack above it left off or vice versa.

I use to play pack poker with the stuff back in the day and I remember if you picked the pack above the pack your opponent picked you always won unless he had the checklist.

Thats why the more intelligent people that played would empty all 36 packs on a table and mix them all together.

We did at least 3 boxes at the 98 national.

For those who are not familiar... In pack poker. 1 ,2 ,3 or 4 players would each pick a pack, whoever had the highest #'d card in their pack would win all 4 packs.

Not 100% sure if that was consistent with the whole run.

This info wont help anyone since you will rarely ever find a case fresh box for sale.

Roger-

flyerfan27 · October 30, 2007 10:37AM

Thank you for sharing your wedding gift with us. It is always fun to open packs. I wish you the best of luck with the cards you get graded and completing your set.

If you don't mind me asking; can you tell me what BBCE stands for?

Thanks, James

nam812 · October 30, 2007 10:40AM

BBCE = BillyJean Banged Chris Evert

BobaFett72 · October 30, 2007 10:42AM

lol Nick.

CDsNuts · October 30, 2007 11:13AM

Ignore nam, he was beaten mercilessly every day of his life during high school and the effects are starting to show. BBCE=Baseball Card Exchange- an online retailer of unooened material.

nam812 · October 30, 2007 11:16AM

<< BBCE=Baseball Card Exchange- an online retailer of unooened material. >>

Thanks for he tip, I am always looking for "unooened" material. Less drinking and more spell checking brother Lee.

CDsNuts · October 30, 2007 11:24AM

"Thanks for he tip"

Who's tip? I know it wasn't my he-tip. That one's only for the ladies.

stown · October 30, 2007 11:30AM

<< Since you're answering questions..

What is the meaning of life? >>

PasadenaMudSlide · October 30, 2007 11:47AM

I like Star Trek.

BobaFett72 · October 30, 2007 11:51AM

I too like Star Trek. but I like Star Wars better.

PasadenaMudSlide · October 30, 2007 12:34PM

Hopefully you'll have a little more to spend next time you get married!

itzagoner · October 30, 2007 12:43PM

i liked Star Search. i miss Ed McMahon.

jmbkb4 · October 30, 2007 12:44PM

nam is cool.

he is liked on here.

i like my job.

TheMcgwireMuseum · October 30, 2007 12:44PM

I like Starsky & Hutch

flyerfan27 · October 30, 2007 2:07PM

Thank you CDsNuts! I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. I hope you and your family have a safe and happy halloween!

Thanks again,
James

CDsNuts · October 30, 2007 2:09PM

Thanks flyer, me too. I always cut my fingers trying to get the razorblades into the apples, but hopefully this year will be different.

BobaFett72 · October 30, 2007 2:23PM

Helpful Hint.

use needles, much easier than razor blades.

I learned that from Martha Stewart.

baseballfan · October 30, 2007 11:21PM

what is BBCE's website?

and what do those 86 fleer packs set someone back?

thanks

vintagetoppsguy · October 30, 2007 11:23PM

www.bbcexchange.com

Stingray · October 30, 2007 11:26PM

<< Thanks flyer, me too. I always cut my fingers trying to get the razorblades into the apples, but hopefully this year will be different. >>

Anyone who passes out apples for Halloween deserves to get their house egged!!

fandango · October 30, 2007 11:40PM

<< 

<< Since you're answering questions..

What is the meaning of life? >>

>>

very easy, the meaning of life is :

To have the most heterosexual, loving sex you can that endorphine rush is what heals the body and lengthens life....

ajw · October 31, 2007 12:23AM

<< 

very easy, the meaning of life is :

To have the most heterosexual, loving sex you can that endorphine rush is what heals the body and lengthens life.... >>

Gay sex doesn't release endorphines?

CDsNuts · October 31, 2007 1:36AM

nam should ring in on this one. He's an expert.

baseballfan · October 31, 2007 1:37AM

thanks
vintage

Stone193 · October 31, 2007 3:47AM

I have an immense distaste Dr Phil! And Oprah's not far off.

fandango · October 31, 2007 5:19AM

<< 

<< 

very easy, the meaning of life is :

To have the most heterosexual, loving sex you can that endorphine rush is what heals the body and lengthens life.... >>

Gay sex doesn't release endorphines? >>

not as much, cause the brain knows this type of sex is wrong...

BobaFett72 · October 31, 2007 5:23AM

"not as much, cause the brain knows this type of sex is wrong..."

oh jeez.

get off your soapbox, and go back to crying about how Pujols got robbed and Mattingly is the second coming of Jesus

oh wait, thats a different soapbox, just a slightly less hateful one.

baseballfanatic · October 31, 2007 5:26AM

<< I guess this can't hurt that much to mention, but there are two alternating numeric sequences in every pack which can go in ascending or descending order. For example, a pack could look like this: 1, 25, 2, 26, 3, 27..... or it could look like this: 1, 27, 2, 26, 3, 25. 1987-88 Fleer works the same way. The catch is that there can be a break in any given pack where the cards are turned upside down and the sequence picks up at a random spot in the set.

Lee

Edit to say- If you ever open a pack and there is no rhyme or reason to the sequence, the pack has been searched. >>

To get this thread back on track, this is the most important thing that any newbie can learn about opening 86/87 Fleer basketball.
File it away and etch it in stone....

RipublicaninMass · October 31, 2007 6:09AM

If you put the razor blade on end, and kinda hammer the apple on top of it, it'll slide right in

Pack break- 86/87 Fleer basketball, 84 Topps FB rack......

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