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1912 Matte Proof Lincoln Diagnostics
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1912 Matte Proof Lincoln. Mintage 2145.
While not the most rare of Matte Proofs it is a date that is very difficult to find in high grade. PCGS has not graded a single coin as 67 in any color designation. In fact there are only 20 graded in 66 at PCGS, putting it on par with 1916.
The most beautiful toned MPLs, IMHO, are dated 1912.
Here are few of the most popular diagnostics.
1. Heavy die polish near the rim from about 2 to 4 o'clock.
2. A single fine die polish line through the word LIBERTY.
3. A heavy line of die polish around the first T in Trust and above E in WE.
4. Heavy die polish between the rim and the words IN GOD.
5. There is also die polish slanting from a NW to SE direction through the 91 in the date, although this is not very discernable on my examples.
6. On the reverse I also noticed very fine die polish through I and B in the word PULRIBUS.
While not the most rare of Matte Proofs it is a date that is very difficult to find in high grade. PCGS has not graded a single coin as 67 in any color designation. In fact there are only 20 graded in 66 at PCGS, putting it on par with 1916.
The most beautiful toned MPLs, IMHO, are dated 1912.
Here are few of the most popular diagnostics.
1. Heavy die polish near the rim from about 2 to 4 o'clock.
2. A single fine die polish line through the word LIBERTY.
3. A heavy line of die polish around the first T in Trust and above E in WE.
4. Heavy die polish between the rim and the words IN GOD.
5. There is also die polish slanting from a NW to SE direction through the 91 in the date, although this is not very discernable on my examples.
6. On the reverse I also noticed very fine die polish through I and B in the word PULRIBUS.
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Eric
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<< <i>so now I definitively know but unfortunately at the same time I am no longer interested in acquiring one, can anybody guess why. Ok I will tell those who may be interested, if you have to acquire a electronic microscope to attempt to pick up the diagnostics then why would any one think about trying to find one let alone buy one or for that matter pay any premium associated with thier possible rarity, and I call that into question since it is so heard to tell that you have one that there may be more than assumed. Please tell me where I am going wrong here, I absolutely understand that you guys are the experts but is this hype to make dealers more profit or is this real numismatics, I am really beinning to question motives and integrety of the hobby, sorry if I am offending anything or anybody but I can't be theonly one looking from the outside in and scratching my head saying what gives.
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I am not a dealer nor am I an expert, but it is prudent in this day and age to have a little knowledge about what you are collecting. Is it any different than a VAM collector, or a die marriage collector, or the Overton Number that a collector uses in determining die varieties in the Bust half dollar series? I don't think so. It's an indisputable way to verify authenticity. BTW, a loupe, or in most cases, a magnifying glass will work just fine.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
WS
<< <i>BTW, I have the same concerns with VAM's, however I differ with 10C and H10c die marriages and Overton Numbers and Rick Snow varieties, I believe the collecting enthusiasm with these are justified, they is completely different in that there are definite blatant varieties that were produced and their variety numbers are are limited in number. Most of the time you may not even need a loupe and if you need one a 3x or 5x is all that is required. >>
I guess it's just a matter of preference Al. I just happened to fall in love with the MPL's and enjoy the agony of the eye strain. It's a labor of love. I know you have your favorites also.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Steve
My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
Nice post Dave!
Great pics and information.
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<< <i>Steve, I don't see a 1950 satin finish proof in your collection... >>
The reason you don't see a 1950 satin finish proof in my collection is because PCGS does not require such a coin in the complete set. As I was building my collection in the 1980's I collected the 1936 brilliant proof to represent that year. I didn't think it was necessary to have both. When the PCGS registry required both versions in 1997 I thought long and hard whether or not I really should add the 1936 satin. I finally decided to do so.
I think much of our collecting habits are formed by how others perceive what should be included. While I am aware of the changes made in the production of 1950 proofs from the begining of the year to later, similiar to what happened in 1936, as of now, the hobby has not found the changes to be compelling enough to cause the collector to get both versions.
Steve
My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
-Paul