NCS Conservation Coin of the Month
commoncents05
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BEFORE:
AFTER:
I like the before picture much more than after, there's really no comparision.
-Paul
AFTER:
I like the before picture much more than after, there's really no comparision.
-Paul
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2) Place it on a window sill that receives a lot of sun light.
3) Fuggedaboudit.
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coin #1: Very Very nice
coin #2: not appealing to me
that before is a beauty IMHO that i would have loved to own.
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like the dark toned before picture is some kind of Gem, right?? you guys and your "original" mania crack me up. i would imagine that neither coin really looks as bad as the pictures show, one a brown/black mess and the other a bit too bright in the center.
I applaud you for getting that coin conserved and then stepping up and sharing it with us. We should limit the stigma of "cleaning" a coin to the idiots who use wire brushes and acid (and anything else that moves/removes metal) and not include what a good company is doing to fix what otherwise would be a great loss.
and yes, i would rather have it all crusty.
if we do everything your way, we will be left with a shiny turd.
This coin would have been a great coin in anyone's high end circ type set. I've seen dipped MS62's and 63's that did not have the eye appeal and character of the coin. While the toning was deep it was fine and had stayed that way for over 20 years. I bought the coin from the dealer who originally placed it with a customer back in the 1980's. When he submitted the coin early this year he was a bit disappointed it did not go Mint State. Dipping doesn't make it unc now...nor does a MS label.
Check with TomB...he had a chance to look at this coin while I still owned it.....before it was ruined....and was quite impressed with it. In fact it was sold to a gold coin dealer who almost never handles type any more. He too was impressed and couldn't put the coin down. He also used to be a PCGS grader back in the 1980's.
What a shame. Nothing was gained here. Wonder if they rewarded the jerk with a MS grade. The coin was not mint state before conservation as the toning shades highlighted the wear on the highpoints. Any coin with 80% luster and orig surfaces should usually be left that way. Most no drapery quarters have strike issues so much of what appears to be wear on this coin is not....such as the upper wing tips. This was a great coin that got messed with. It's a shadow of what it was. And if now graded MS.....a joke on all of us. Thanks NCS for another winner.
roadrunner
Also, the coin looks like a nice fresh 55-58 before, a commercial 61-62 after. I'd guess it was a profitable submission.
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luster (lol).
What's interesting is that I can track down where it went after I sold it. And I intend to do so. This will be interesting if nothing else.
I did have a gut feeling that this one would have been better placed with someone who was not going to screw with it. The coin was actually gorgeous and impressive before, even if a tad on the darker brown/crusty side. It radiated a decent cartwheel on both sides, which on even slabbed "unc" coins is not always the case. Only NCS would not appreciate such a coin.
Commoncents05, is this coin on the NCS website as a finished "product?" Did they give an after grade?
roadrunner
I like before and after.
Jerry
Amazing...of all the gin joints that this conserved coin could walk into, it had to be here!
What a small world it is, if it turns out to be the one roadrunner once stewarded.
Wherever it came from, what a huge loss in eye appeal is shown by the pictures.
Maybe PrivateCoinCollector's right, though. Give this coin another couple generations to re-tone, will it look just as good as before conservation, but with more stability for the surfaces underneath?
Is this conservation of the coin like a shorn sheep or a shorn poodle? Not pretty to look at now, but better for the long run?
Maybe PrivateCoinCollector's right, though. Give this coin another couple generations to re-tone, will it look just as good as before conservation, but with more stability for the surfaces underneath?
Is this conservation of the coin like a shorn sheep or a shorn poodle? Not pretty to look at now, but better for the long run? >>
The coin with it's original patina was more stable than it is now, the skin it had provided stability for the surfaces. It obviously had rub on the thigh, but what a neat coin (it was), no wonder if it's the same coin roadrunner says it brought 60 money. Guess all things are in the eye of the beholder, but the original piece would be my preference too.
John
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It should now be good and ready to go in on a "Quarterly Special" freebie!
If it was immersed in ultrasound (or acetone) to remove only dirt, I say fine.
If it was dipped, as it appears to be, it's unfortunate that they stripped off the luster, as it appears that they did.
Again, one more reason that I collect Modern Proofs and Uncs instead of this messed-with breed. The originals are way beyond reach, and this is the reason why.
I knew it would happen.
rip people off any way possible.
remember collectors, dealers want to make money, they do not care
about much else. most dealers that is. there is one or two good ones
per thousand.
JJ
what i hear in the majority of anti-replies is a bias against doing anything to a coin, whether for financial gain or to "save" from further destruction from years of improper storage. and before you jump me as being pro-NCS, go back and read my page one reply to see that i don't necessarily like either state of this coin. while i firmly believe that the "before picture" shows a coin that needs help, i also think the "after picture" shows a coin that looks a bit wrong. the after seems more likely to me to survive if stored properly while the before would probaly continue to darken somewhat, that being the point where the worm turns. somewhere there is a compromise which stops a coin from changing further(stabalizes it, if you will) but doesn't artificially enhance it's appearance.
Dream on.
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Priot to the bath this was an ideal type coin for an XF/AU circ type set. It's unfortunate it never got to stay unmolested and achieve tht status. Most people think worn and dirty antique furniture looks gross. Yet all that wear, patina, and orig grime is what makes the real thing worth multiple over the "conserved" item. The brainwashing of the coin newbies towards "white" coins going on since the mid-90's is now almost complete. Prior to that period it was a chore to sell a dipped out type to a collector. Those kinds of coins were shunned. Yet following the advent of NCS things have changed. Do you really think NCS changed the minds of those seasoned collectors and won them over? Wonder if the antique furniture business will ever invent an NCS?
roadrunner
it seems that you've moved from suspecting that this is the coin you owned to knowing it's the same. i'll be willing to grant that suspicion is accurate. what i find telling is that you also tend to admit that the "before" picture is darker than what you recall, so isn't it plausible that the "after" picture isn't accurate either and that the coin isn't as ruined as we think?? i tend to think that both pictures are what is really marketed here, that the difference has been manipulated to show how much NCS can do. based on my use of their service, once tone reaches the dark brown-black stage, it can't be removed or even really lightened, some remnants always will remain as the "after" picture suggests, but my coins always return less intense than this.
as i said earlier, we can't accurately assess a grade from a picture, why should this be any different?
if someone would have posted a "Look at my NEWP thread" and used the second set of photos, the great majority of people would be tripping over themselves posting their adoration for such a gorgeous, original, and wholesome coin.
Keets, my computer tends to show up all coins as much darker than they truly appear. I often see you guys discussing details on an image that I cannot even see on this end. But if that 1st photo appears darker than it is then such is the case for the 2nd one.
And you're right, I'm convinced it is the coin I owned a short time back. How many of these are running around with the same thick toning and same die state? How often do any deeply toned and expensive orig coins ever make it out of the local B&M shop without getting dipped?
My former coins tend to have a habit of finding their way into the hands of those who (unfortunately) can "maximize" their paper value. A beautifully toned condition census New Orleans quarter I once owned in 2006 ended up being dipped and puttied to get it upgraded 1 point. The coin was ruined. Pop reports now show it tied for 2nd highest graded when in fact the coin is now a mess.
When I sold my orig 1867-s 25c a few years back I had the real fear that someone would think of dipping it to shoot for an MS68 grade.
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To the majority of us, the before images look better than the after.
There may be subtle important technical issues with the coin that are not seen well in the photographs, but are real and appreciate in hand by true experts. I truly believe that NCS knows what they are doing and the coin is better conserved despite the suboptimal digital pictures. It sure doesn't look like it, though.
IMHO NCS chose poorly in using this particular coin, as illustrated by the images, as a great example of their conservation services. I am certain that they want to showcase their professional services well, and this coin doesn't do it.