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1909-S VDB

CoinKing1969CoinKing1969 Posts: 350
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Here is a great coin that some tend to think is not real Ebay auction #130164339765. Check out some of the questions asked by some Ebayers. image

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  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting, I'm no expert and my old eyes are tired but it does look like the real deal to me.
    Got me fooled.

    Hmmmmmm,
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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    i am still learning but i do not see the clues to tell me it is a fake.
    lets see what the experts have to say.
  • SUMORADASUMORADA Posts: 4,797 ✭
    The VDB does look "funny" aka image
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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    If you mean "great coin" as in severeley altered surfaces (whizzed?), then yes, that's a great coin image

    Surfaces are either heavily cleaned, way over dipped, or possibly could be whizzed. and those black spots are ugly.

    sorry to rain on the parade
  • bigtime36bigtime36 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭✭
    look close at the VDB, the close up is stamped, and the shot from far is rasied. Two differant coins!!!

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  • CoinKing1969CoinKing1969 Posts: 350


    << <i>If you mean "great coin" as in severeley altered surfaces (whizzed?), then yes, that's a great coin image

    Surfaces are either heavily cleaned, way over dipped, or possibly could be whizzed. and those black spots are ugly.

    sorry to rain on the parade >>



    Meaning in "great coin" as 1909-S VDB. Real or not Real? Even a problem SVDB brings a good premium, but not a fake.image
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>look close at the VDB, the close up is stamped, and the shot from far is rasied. Two differant coins!!!
    >>



    The incuse appearing V.D.B. is what happens with some photo's. Just a trick of the lighting as I've seen it many times. I seriously doubt two different coins.

    He guarantees the coin is authentic so whats the problem?
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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    If you're already a bidder, don't bid any more until the experts here have seen this. You've got 22 hours. If you haven't bid, hold off, give this thread some time. That vdb isn't incuse like the questioner claims, but the seller protesteth too much methinks, and was on the defensive about this coin when he wrote the description. Experienced, too, so if it could be slabbed, it would be. But I agree with you, if it's genuine, a problem one is OK to fill that big hole.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    Also, if you change the thread title to something like a question, is this s-vdb real or fake, you might get more responses.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • compromonedascompromonedas Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If you mean "great coin" as in severeley altered surfaces (whizzed?), then yes, that's a great coin image

    Surfaces are either heavily cleaned, way over dipped, or possibly could be whizzed. and those black spots are ugly.

    sorry to rain on the parade >>


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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    So with:

    * IF THE LINCOLN CENT BEING AUCTIONED HERE IS A "RAW" COIN (NOT PROFESSIONALLY GRADED OR SLABBED). AS ALWAYS, WE FULLY GUARANTEE THE COIN'S AUTHENTICITY. WE ALSO GUARANTEE THE WINNING BIDDER WILL RECEIVE THE ACTUAL COIN PICTURED, UPON SUBMITTING PAYMENT IN FULL. OTHER THAN GUARANTEES STATED, THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE AUCTION, AND ALL SALES ARE CONSIDERED FINAL. WE ACCEPT PAYPAL, MONEY ORDERS, CERTIFIED FUNDS, AND PERSONAL CHECKS (MUST CLEAR BEFORE ITEM/S SHIPPED). ( 7 TO 10 DAYS )

    Looks to me like if the coin proves to be fake, they'll accept a return.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    The placement of the periods in the VDB doesn't look right to me. I am not an expert in this issue but aren't the periods a little high, especially the first one?
  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭
    From the images it appears to be authentic, but it also appears to be a recolored AU coin with surface problems.
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  • slothman2000slothman2000 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭
    I have played this game...from more reputable dealers, and not on the bay....if you are going to pull the trigger on a key at this level, you have to buy one that is certified by a reputable grading company...no question....
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin looks real to me, too. The pictures are of one single coin, not two different ones...I see nothing that makes the VDB appear to be stamped into the coin, either.
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    The coin looks real to me, and the VDB is not incuse (i.e. "stamped in"); however, I would never bid on it. That coin would bring much more money if it were graded; thus, IMO it's probably a problem coin.
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  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154 ✭


    << <i>The incuse appearing V.D.B. is what happens with some photo's. Just a trick of the lighting as I've seen it many times. I seriously doubt two different coins.
    >>



    Exactly. This happens because the light is coming from the bottom.
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  • mozeppamozeppa Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭
    what chuck said...noteably the large carbon / corrosion / pvc damage dot thats in the left field under liberty

    and the same kind of damage on the vdb.
  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭


    << <i>I have played this game...from more reputable dealers, and not on the bay....if you are going to pull the trigger on a key at this level, you have to buy one that is certified by a reputable grading company...no question.... >>





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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>19 Lyds,
    I agree with your post except, I have dealt with other ebay sellers that have stated similar non-return policies, and when I found fault with their coin they would not take it back no matter what form of proof that I provided. So lets take this case as an example, I get the coin and verify taht it is and altered "VDB", how do I make them return my money if they don't wish too? >>



    I emailed the seller.

    I asked: So if I buy this coin and it proves to be a fake by a reputable grading company, can I return it for a refund?

    He replied: Hi Lee Are we going back to this coin looking like the VDB is stamped into the coin. I know it looks like that is the case in the photo but your eyes are playing tricks with you. I will guarantee that if you win the auction and you get the coin & it is stamped into the coin I'll refund your money & pay the postage both ways. Other than that you are on your own. If I thought for one minute it wasn't the real thing I wouldn't be selling it . I have a $6000.00 S VDB here graded by "PCGS" and they look like they are out of the same mold.

    I have no doubt the coin is real but as many have said (and the seller has indicated by stating he has a PCGS graded coin), there are problems with this coin that more than likely would prevent it from being graded.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • CoinKing1969CoinKing1969 Posts: 350
    It is up to $1625.00 and has a couple of hours left. Not bad for a debatable coin. Is it real, is it a problem coin? image
  • CoinKing1969CoinKing1969 Posts: 350
    Please take a look at the bid history on this coin!!!!image

  • StampAlarmStampAlarm Posts: 1,668 ✭
    It doesn't look very nice because of the spots.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Even if it is authentic, the five thousand words of giant all caps multicolor type is enough to tell me that it just is not worth the risk.

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  • SilverstateSilverstate Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭
    It probably wouldn't grade at pcgs and now its for sale raw on eBay...
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  • oildvroildvr Posts: 147
    looking at the vdb, it does look stamped into the coin! I never buy a high end coin on ebay unless slabbed by pcgs!

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