Will Torre be back if . . .
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If the newly hired manager fails, will Torre be hired back - sort of like the way Billy Martin was, over and over again? I suspect that we'll see that happen as a desperation move by the Yankees next August. But, I hope he has more class than that.
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One thing though. Billy Martin was a very different person. A baseball genuis I think. All fire and passion.
But Torre is a real thinker, calm, cool, collective.
This whole contract has offended him. Pride will play a HUGE part in this.
Martin put pride on the backseat. He just needed the war.
What do you think?
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<< <i>Torre won't allow himself to be dragged through the mud over and over like Martin did >>
How many times was Martin fired? Too many to remember
How many times was Torre fired? ZERO
So what the hell are you talking about?
I'm sorry I can't help you with your delusions.
<< <i>You still don't think Torre wasn't fired?
I'm sorry I can't help you with your delusions. >>
OMG!!!
Stitz--talk about dillusional. I believe the words "shove it" came from Joe Torre, not Steiner.
But go on and think that they didn't fire Torre - real fans know what really happened.
Steve
Torre wasn't wanted back in NY, if he was, they wouldn't have let him twist in the wind for weeks, Steinbrenner wouldn't have made his moronic and ridiculous comments, and they would have offered him more than a one year deal.
<< <i>Wrong, again.
Torre wasn't wanted back in NY, if he was, they wouldn't have let him twist in the wind for weeks, Steinbrenner wouldn't have made his moronic and ridiculous comments, and they would have offered him more than a one year deal. >>
Come on now - they didn't offer Torre mimimum wage and a 1990 Chevy for a company car. The offer was 5 million a year and with incentives it could go to 8 million. Man, I'd like to get fired like that! LOL
Being offered a contract you know he wouldn't accept was their chicken chit way of firing the guy, are you really that stupid?
<< <i>HE WAS FIRED you dope.
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<< <i>HE WAS FIRED you dope.
Being offered a contract you know he wouldn't accept was their chicken chit way of firing the guy, are you really that stupid? >>
so when they took your time card and paper hat from you at McDonalds and changed the locks on the doors, you actually quit right?
<< <i>If the newly hired manager fails, will Torre be hired back - sort of like the way Billy Martin was, over and over again? I suspect that we'll see that happen as a desperation move by the Yankees next August. But, I hope he has more class than that. >>
Back on topic, no, there's no chance in hell Torre ever comes back, even when the yankees are pissing on themselves and miss the playoffs with Mattingly, which would be fitting, as it took him until the very end of his playing career to be carried into the playoffs.
you state he was fired, the facts show he quit (did not accept the terms of the job offer)
one is opinion (yours) one is the truth (what happened)
big difference, you should learn it
would jump ship. Instead offer him a big cut in salary tied to incentives, which was sure to piss torre off.
It was a firing cloaked by PR
my hotels
<< <i>Good God, and if Torre surprised everyone and took the deal would you still be calling it a firing? >>
No, twit, because he'd still be employed.
Are you really this stupid, or do you pretend to be?
Martin and Torre really isn't a good analogy. Steinbrenner and Martin genuinely liked each other despite the public firings, etc. Steinbrenner and Torre really never got along despite Torre's longevity on the team, but as long as Torre was winning, he would be there. And Torre would still be there...all he had to do was accept the offer which was a very good offer considering the Yankees haven't been to a World Series in awhile with Torre at the helm.
Axtell: No, but any dope could see that I was fired. It was clearly a ploy. Don't you know anything about employment psychology, retard?
Unemployment agency interviewer: Were you offered continuing employment at a fair wage?
Axtell: Yes, but it surely was a PR move. Any of my real fans
Unemployment agency interviewer: Are you on medication?
Axtell: Ya dope, it's so obvious you facist. Now if you'll excuse me I have to practice programming speed dial numbers. I'm expecting a call from "Alltel Chad" at any moment.
If you are unable to read between the lines and see that Torre was indeed fired, then I can't help you. If you can't see the insult that a one year contract offer, with pay based on performance after 12 years of results and success as an insult, and an offer they knew he wouldn't take, and see that as a firing, I can't help you.
Jesus christ you people are dense.
LOL, that's funny coming from the resident clown, sh!tzen.
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*Yawn*
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Typical.
The only thing typical here is that you are a hypocrite and clown with no clue.
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PROOFREAD BEFORE YOU POST, boy!
So says the guy who flunked out of community college, That's a good one!!
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"If anyone thinks that the contract offer given to Torre was not the same thing as basically showing him the door, then the Yankees did their job on you."
This is a very good analysis of the situation. However, the Steinbrenner sons maintain that it was not a ploy, but a sincere and genuine offer. I find that a little insulting to my intelligence to say the least. I don't think the Steinbrenner sons are that naive to think their contract offer was not a ploy to "fire" him.
Torre also clearly stated that he wanted at least two years without the incentives. After 12 years of managing the Yanks, he does not need incentives to know what is expected of him. His players don't need that incentive knowing that every game they play has Torre's job on the line. It is clear that Torre and the players want to win, having an incentive based contract is an insult to the true professional nature of Torre and the hard work he and his team put everyday.
Someone like Kevin Mitchell needs an incentive laden contract because you don't know if he feels like playing certain days. The likes of Torre put their efforts in everyday. Even when Torre was out for a while because a surgery (was it something like bladder or prostate and related to cancer??), he was back managing soon and did not go missing for a year. Not that missing a year for something serious is necessary a bad thing, but Torre was only going to miss as much as he had to and then proceed with his job. What a gamer.
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This is a very good analysis of the situation. However, the Steinbrenner sons maintain that it was not a ploy, but a sincere and genuine offer. I find that a little insulting to my intelligence to say the least. I don't think the Steinbrenner sons are that naive to think their contract offer was not a ploy to "fire" him.
Torre also clearly stated that he wanted at least two years without the incentives. After 12 years of managing the Yanks, he does not need incentives to know what is expected of him. His players don't need that incentive knowing that every game they play has Torre's job on the line. It is clear that Torre and the players want to win, having an incentive based contract is an insult to the true professional nature of Torre and the hard work he and his team put everyday.
Someone like Kevin Mitchell needs an incentive laden contract because you don't know if he feels like playing certain days. The likes of Torre put their efforts in everyday. Even when Torre was out for a while because a surgery (was it something like bladder or prostate and related to cancer??), he was back managing soon and did not go missing for a year. Not that missing a year for something serious is necessary a bad thing, but Torre was only going to miss as much as he had to and then proceed with his job. What a gamer. >>
Thank you for having the insight and open-mindedness to see through the BS the yankee organization is spewing. They fired Torre by offering him a contract they knew he'd find so insulting he would have no option but to turn it down.
The world is full of BS, smoke and mirrors and ploys. Its the same type of mentality that calls the machine that does Nuclear Magnetic Resonance an MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging) so the public won't be alarmed or the thing about the WMDs. Everything has to be packaged a certain way in order to sell it.
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<< <i>This is a very good analysis of the situation. However, the Steinbrenner sons maintain that it was not a ploy, but a sincere and genuine offer. I find that a little insulting to my intelligence to say the least. I don't think the Steinbrenner sons are that naive to think their contract offer was not a ploy to "fire" him. >>
DG, I agree with you. In fact, the Steinbrenner sons made it worse (in my opinion) on Friday, when they went out of their way to specifically say that the offer was not a ploy. The quote I heard from one of them (not sure which one) had him defending the move at least twice - kind of like when you know someone is lying, but they continue to try and convince you that they are not.
Whatever the case - Torre deserved better.