Another counterfiet 1988 Burger King PSA 10!
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Here is another in an ever growing list of psa graded counterfiet 1988 Burger King Emmitt Smith cards. This is 3rd one I have seen in the past few months and the one I own makes 4. All the info is there to be had on these cards. Its been around for years. I can email it to you again if you like.
Thanks
Matt
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<< <i>Does the real one have a trademark logo on the upper right hand corner? >>
Yup
Here is the link to the thread from a few weeks ago
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I emailed the seller letting him know it was fake. He was nice. He did not know it was fake so I gave him the link to the thread so he can see for himself.
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>AH. Did you get this matter figured out with PSA. Did they give you a reason or free vouchers? >>
I emailed Joe and he told me to send it to him. I have not done so yet but plan on it.
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>: thanks alot Matt. Where did u hear about it? Also I'm not a member of Psa so how would I contact them or send it back? I really appeciate this.This kind of stuff is the exact reason I quit collect 10 yrs ago.PSA is really over rated. I got 8's that should be 9's and 9's & 10's that should be 8's. they are so inconsistent. Thanks so much for letting me know about this Matt.I'm going to remove the list now. >>
Like I said he is a good dude and was unaware the card was fake.
Its a shame though stuff like this happens.
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>Here is another in an ever growing list of psa graded counterfiet 1988 Burger King Emmitt Smith cards. This is 3rd one I have seen in the past few months and the one I own makes 4. All the info is there to be had on these cards. Its been around for years. I can email it to you again if you like. >>
Does this really surprise you? Either one of two things happend - (1) PSA doesn't know enough about this card to properly authenticate it or (2) they just don't care.
(1) Not everybody knows everything about this hobby. I don't know ANYTHING about football cards and I don't pretend to. You will NEVER hear me comment on a football card - unless it is only about overall condition. If you ask me a football card question, my answer will probably be, "I don't know." There is nothing wrong with that answer. I wouldn't sit there and blow smoke up you a$$ and BS you and pretend that I know something that I don't. There would have been nothing wrong for PSA to have sent that card back to the submitter with a voucher and a brief explanation letting them know they don't have enough information about the card to properly authenticate it.
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(2) They just don't care. Did they just take the submitters money, slab it and sent it out? It sounds like you (and probably others as well) have made them aware of the issue and as you have also stated, the information has been around for years.
Therefore, I believe it's reason #2, but people can decide for themselves. There have been many PSA questions and concerns raised lately, but they rarely choose to come on here and address the issues. It seems like the multiple posts in the BST board are their top priority. Are they too busy or do they just not care?
Thanks for your contributions and making people aware of the counterfiet, Matt.
It's refreshing to see members take action rather than just bishing and moaning, while contributing absolutely nothing other than just hearing themselves talk, about problems..
<< <i>The bad thing is there's quite a few of these counterfeits that were slabbed by PSA. I've been hearing about this since 2003 or 2004 >>
Yeah, the card in 10 form is pop 73. I wonder how many are fake
4 out of that 73 are fake that I know of.
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>What makes you the expert on this card? How do you know its really fake? PSA has the worlds most knowledgeable graders in the world working for them, there is no chance that they would let a counterfeit card get into a holder. >>
Your joking....right?
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
It's refeshing Matt to see an honest ebay seller take it down vs. keeping it up and selling it (waverly) to some other schmoe .
On another note , maybe PSA not having enough knowledge on this card thought that it was like some of the baseball card errors of the 80's & 90's that were printed with and without the trademark , can't remember the years or the companies but I do remember it being a big deal for a little while.
But sadly it is now an issue that PSA must address and correct as quickly as humanly possible and hopefully come Monday morning they will start to correct their error.
Never.
My point exactly. I love PSA, I just wish that they would get there butt in gear so they don't hurt this hobby as much as they made it great.
Common PSA, we your most valuable customers need/want/demand the best service out there to stay the best!
Jeff
<< <i>What is counterfiet about this card? I don't get it, isen't it graded a PSA Gem Mint 10? How would this be counterfiet? PSA graded it! >>
Is this a rhetorical question?
Let's face it - if we ever experienced perfection from something, we're probably in Elysium?
mike
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<< <i>Here is another in an ever growing list of psa graded counterfiet 1988 Burger King Emmitt Smith cards. This is 3rd one I have seen in the past few months and the one I own makes 4. All the info is there to be had on these cards. Its been around for years. I can email it to you again if you like. >>
Does this really surprise you? Either one of two things happend - (1) PSA doesn't know enough about this card to properly authenticate it or (2) they just don't care.
(1) Not everybody knows everything about this hobby. I don't know ANYTHING about football cards and I don't pretend to. You will NEVER hear me comment on a football card - unless it is only about overall condition. If you ask me a football card question, my answer will probably be, "I don't know." There is nothing wrong with that answer. I wouldn't sit there and blow smoke up you a$$ and BS you and pretend that I know something that I don't. There would have been nothing wrong for PSA to have sent that card back to the submitter with a voucher and a brief explanation letting them know they don't have enough information about the card to properly authenticate it.
OR
(2) They just don't care. Did they just take the submitters money, slab it and sent it out? It sounds like you (and probably others as well) have made them aware of the issue and as you have also stated, the information has been around for years.
Therefore, I believe it's reason #2, but people can decide for themselves. There have been many PSA questions and concerns raised lately, but they rarely choose to come on here and address the issues. It seems like the multiple posts in the BST board are their top priority. Are they too busy or do they just not care? >>
They rarely come here and discuss anything - to be honest, I wouldn't expect it.
A lot of the stuff that gets discussed here is 'hearsay' and as long as total pejorative lies aren't printed here; I believe they tend to ignore most of this.
Now this item is a major blunder.
But, they grade zillions of different kinds of cards and stuff like this has to happen.
And, when these counterfeits were done - I don't think PSA or anyone even had the card on their radar.
Matt's a highly specialized collector - and only people in that group would ever pick up on something like this.
In fact, oft times, these things get reported to Beckett, SCD, Tuff Stuff etc. by collectors like Matt - and that's how the hobby gets word of it.
I'm not trying to be a PSA apologist - just trying to keep it fair and balanced - No company is perfect.
And just because they don't run down here and defend every negative thing that's said on this chat doesn't mean they're thoughtless or ignorant. They're running a big business - what we talk about here is small potatoes in some/many instances.
mike
While all top grading companies will make mistakes such as over or undergrading, missing a trimmed, pressed or altered card this will happen they are humans. But I think there is no excuse for these I'm not even a football or baseball card collector and I've known about both of these for some time know. mainly because I do my homework and even though I don't collect other sports I love learning and knowing about this stuff.
<< <i>mike while I agree "no company is perfect" the resources were out there when these counterfiet cards were being graded as well as the cal ripken minor league counterfiets that were slabbed. There has been several write ups about these 2 particular cards on what to look for when spotting counterfiets but yet this still happened.
While all top grading companies will make mistakes such as over or undergrading, missing a trimmed, pressed or altered card this will happen they are humans. But I think there is no excuse for these I'm not even a football or baseball card collector and I've known about both of these for some time know. mainly because I do my homework and even though I don't collect other sports I love learning and knowing about this stuff. >>
Can't argue with you on that fact.
When they get these cards or see them - they will know exactly who graded them and see what happened.
This is ONE issue that I WOULD like someone to come on the boards and address - since as I said, this is a big blunder.
And finally - I do agree, there's very little reason for this to happen - they grade a lot of cards and should have a departement that receives counterfeit alerts and does their own homework - reading pubs e.g.
And to keep this easy for graders? That's what computers are for - when a grader looks at a card - when they enter it into the computer for a grade - the card could be FLAGGED by the research department - so an Alert pops up - to remind them what to look for. Or something like this?
mike
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<< <i>What is counterfiet about this card? I don't get it, isen't it graded a PSA Gem Mint 10? How would this be counterfiet? PSA graded it! >>
Is this a rhetorical question?
Let's face it - if we ever experienced perfection from something, we're probably in Elysium?
mike >>
Its actualy called a question.
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<< <i>What is counterfiet about this card? I don't get it, isen't it graded a PSA Gem Mint 10? How would this be counterfiet? PSA graded it! >>
Is this a rhetorical question?
Let's face it - if we ever experienced perfection from something, we're probably in Elysium?
mike >>
Its actualy called a question. >>
Look at the link provided in the third post to answer your question
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>It's not down yet, still going strong. Maybe we should all bid to help his seller fees? I have a secondary acct now and I don't mind trading negs with the guy if he doesn't close it soon. >>
Jim
The seller emailed me again asking me how to cancel his auction. He does not know how. I just have not got back to him yet.
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>What makes you the expert on this card? How do you know its really fake? PSA has the worlds most knowledgeable graders in the world working for them, there is no chance that they would let a counterfeit card get into a holder. >>
He knows more about Emmitt Smith cards then we all do about football. So, yes he is an expert on this card. Welcome to the boards.
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<< <i>What is counterfiet about this card? I don't get it, isen't it graded a PSA Gem Mint 10? How would this be counterfiet? PSA graded it! >>
Is this a rhetorical question?
Let's face it - if we ever experienced perfection from something, we're probably in Elysium?
mike >>
Its actualy called a question. >>
Look at the link provided in the third post to answer your question >>
Oh ok thanks man, don't know why some people act like asking a question is the end of the world lol. Thanks again
He knows more about Emmitt Smith cards then we all do about football. So, yes he is an expert on this card. Welcome to the boards. >>
<< <i>What makes you the expert on this card? How do you know its really fake? PSA has the worlds most knowledgeable graders in the world working for them, there is no chance that they would let a counterfeit card get into a holder. >>
Matt's credentials are impeccable!
I think this is just irony but I'll put up this article so we can all appreciate the info.
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Want Fries With That Fake?
1/21/2004 10:12:24 AM
by Mark Anderson, Beckett Grading Services
A highly popular card of the NFL’s all-time rushing leader, Emmitt Smith, is a 1988 Florida Gators card produced by Burger King. Due to its pre-rookie card status, the card has always been a desirable find for collectors, and as a result, an easy target for counterfeiters.
The first fake version of the card was quite an obvious imitation, as the entire Burger King logo on the front top-right was missing. Recently, however, a new version began showing up in large quantities.
This new fake has added the Burger King logo back to the card, but is missing three registered trademark ® logos, normally located to the bottom right of the Burger King design, bottom center of the Florida logo, and top right of the word “Gators”.
The same ® logo is also missing from the Burger King and Florida logos on the back of the card.
In addition, another dead giveaway on the card is the Burger King logo on the cardback. The wrong font was used on the fake, resulting in very thin lettering when compared to the usual fat font on a real logo.
Large quantities of this card are being sold, so take caution when purchasing this card.
Beckett Grading Services frequently reports on counterfeit discoveries -- including several fake versions of the same card -- in order to keep collectors and dealers informed. Please click here for more information about BGS.
mike