What to do with a fake Trade Dollar?

CoinKing1969

I bought several Morgan Dollars and one 1875-CC Trade Dollar in a deal a few months back. I mostly collect Morgans, but the Trade Dollar looks great and even weighs correctly. It has no die casting marks or tooling, so it seemed authentic to me. I ended up selling on Ebay and the buyer emailed back 45 days later said it was counterfiet (by ICG grading) and wanted his money back. Got the coin back and sent his money. I just tried to sell it on Ebay again with the ICG flip showing it is "questionable authenticity" and they still kicked it off. I am not trying to sell a fake coin as a authentic coin, I am just trying to get rid of it. My question is what to do with it. 1. scratch "COPY" on the back and sell as a reproduction. 2. Keep it as an conversation piece. 3. Throw it in the garbage can, so others don't try to sell as real. 4. Make some type of jewelry out of it.


Any comments?

richardshipp

Please enter me in your giveaway and I promise to never sell or trade the coin. Thx.

commoncents05

Keep it, study it, determine why it's counterfeit, and keep it for research purposes to help determining authenticity of future purchases.

-Paul

AU58WALKERS

I would get another opinion to see if it is authentic

bluespaceant

RareBronzeCollector

<< <i>I bought several Morgan Dollars and one 1875-CC Trade Dollar in a deal a few months back. I mostly collect Morgans, but the Trade Dollar looks great and even weighs correctly. It has no die casting marks or tooling, so it seemed authentic to me. I ended up selling on Ebay and the buyer emailed back 45 days later said it was counterfiet (by ICG grading) and wanted his money back. Got the coin back and sent his money. I just tried to sell it on Ebay again with the ICG flip showing it is "questionable authenticity" and they still kicked it off. I am not trying to sell a fake coin as a authentic coin, I am just trying to get rid of it. My question is what to do with it. 1. scratch "COPY" on the back and sell as a reproduction. 2. Keep it as an conversation piece. 3. Throw it in the garbage can, so others don't try to sell as real. 4. Make some type of jewelry out of it.


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I'm casually (not actively) working on a set of contemporary fakes..... Without checking, I know I need all the cc's...... If you're asking price is reasonable, I'd be interested...... PM me if you like...... Your's is off......

shmort6552

Why not keep it? ( or, does ICG have a guarantee as to the authenticity of their grading)

Use it as a reminder and as others have said, study it and learn what to look for as far as counterfeits go.

I'm sure that a lot of collectos have received counterfeits (they may not want to admit it though). It will make a good conversation piece!!

Bruce

(my mistake, I thought it had actually been graded by ICG)

Still worth keeping IMO even as a reminder of how careful you have to be when buying coins.

LALASD4

I would get a second opinion.

mrpotatoheadd

<< <i>I would get another opinion to see if it is authentic >>

I second that opinion.

I bought a darkside proof coin a while back, which I sold on eBay. Several weeks later, the buyer emailed and asked to return it because one of the eBay approved TPGs wouldn't certify it as a proof. Received the coin back, and made a refund. Next big show I attended, I took the coin with me and showed it around, soliciting opinions. Three out of three dealers with expertise in the area agreed that the coin was indeed a proof, and one of those dealers paid me nearly three times what I originally sold it on eBay for (and over twice the current catalog value).

Get a second opinion.

Bochiman

Ok ok....I'll help ya out....send it to me
Seriously (well, if you don't want to send it to me...that is still choice #1), then go the 2nd opinion route.....maybe at a show if you go to any of the major shows.
Maybe ask TradeDollarNut or MarkFeld if they would be nice enough, if you sent it to them, if they could tell you why it is fake (maybe a good picture would do....).

Post a pic here, let people see if they know.

notwilight

Post a pic here. That will get you a second opinion. If fake there are many here interested in it for educational purposes. I would be but every time I've mentioned that to the owner of one of these fakes he gets back to me that someone has offered much more than I did.

--Jerry

CoinKing1969

Here is the original Ebay sell : #300128704877

Please remember that I usually don't fool with raw Trade Dollars. Even the person that bought this must have thought it was real to send off to ICG. Looked like a good XF 45 to AU 50.

AUandAG

Yes, keep it for reference. Please take note of the placement of the CC. It is too far right. The CC is also
the wrong font or style. The two D's in trade dollar are poorly made and slightly different. Those are just
three "ifs" that show on the reverse. The obverse has too small denticles and not properly spaced or separated.

What really upsets me more is the weight. you say that it weighed just over 27 grams? That's scarry.

Damn chinks,

bob

Type2

I was in a shop today and saw that he had some trade dollars and ask if I can look at them. All of his CC where Fake and I did not know how to tell him that they were fake, so I said to him the five CC don't look right and he looked at me and said you are the 2nd one that said that and pulled them off. Must be a lot of this junk going around.

sammydabull

<< <i>I bought several Morgan Dollars and one 1875-CC Trade Dollar in a deal a few months back. I mostly collect Morgans, but the Trade Dollar looks great and even weighs correctly. It has no die casting marks or tooling, so it seemed authentic to me. I ended up selling on Ebay and the buyer emailed back 45 days later said it was counterfiet (by ICG grading) and wanted his money back. Got the coin back and sent his money. I just tried to sell it on Ebay again with the ICG flip showing it is "questionable authenticity" and they still kicked it off. I am not trying to sell a fake coin as a authentic coin, I am just trying to get rid of it. My question is what to do with it. 1. scratch "COPY" on the back and sell as a reproduction. 2. Keep it as an conversation piece. 3. Throw it in the garbage can, so others don't try to sell as real. 4. Make some type of jewelry out of it.


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I ended up giving my three fake ones to my neices for christmas, they loved them, even knowing they were counterfeit

direwolf1972

I thought about this last night. Bad idea and it was late. Collect good fake reproductions and have a lucite toliet seat made from them

CappedBustDimes

send/give it to StopMotion so he can put it on his reference site.




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Bochiman

I don't like the ebay pic, but I am far from expert on the series.
Did you give it a sound test, to make sure it was silver?

tightbudget

Keep it.

keoj

It looks pretty fake to me. The CC configuration is one that I've seen before (on other fakes) and is not a valid one that I'm aware of for a 75-CC. I'd have to take a closer look but the way that the neck feathers on a left side look a little sketchy as well. Post a better picture and I or we could probably be more conclusive.

keoj

MFH

I don't think its the real deal either, sorry. Dosn't have the right look,
especially on the denticles, they seem misplaced. But what do I know;
heed the other's advice and get a second opinion. Good luck.

BKingCoins, are you in Naples, Florida ?

30AnvZ28

<< <i>5. Take it to a local park that is frequented by metal detectorists and bury it. >>



Dick

StopMotion

<< <i>send/give it to StopMotion so he can put it on his reference site.




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Hey CappedBustDimes,
Thanks for thinking of me!
Harrison
Stop Motion

mckaleta

ive never seen a box dollar made from a fake trade $.

you should be the first.

Longacre

I will be traveling to China next week. I can return it for you.

AnkurJ

Give it to some kid at haloween, he/she will be excited like anything when they see it!

I give out comic books and candy every year. And to very little kids I give out toys. (I gather toys every year to give t hospitals for Christmas, so I just give some at haloween)

Ankur

DeepCoin

If you really want to sell the coin, put it on the BST and link this thread. Someone will want it for melt if nothing else. Otherwise, get it put into a money clip as jewelry. That way you have the best of two worlds, a money clip with a "Trade Dollar" and you will not have ruined a real coin to do it.

fc

once verified fake, punch it with your initials and the word fake.

CoinKing1969

<< <i>I don't think its the real deal either, sorry. Dosn't have the right look,
especially on the denticles, they seem misplaced. But what do I know;
heed the other's advice and get a second opinion. Good luck.

BKingCoins, are you in Naples, Florida ? >>



Sorry, I'm from Kentucky.

bluespaceant

CarlWohlforth

I'd be happy to trade my 1804 dollar for it straight up.