Addition to my W4I collection.

TwoKopeiki

If you remember, I've picked-up and interesting Guadalajara mint overdate from Jeremy in August. It was a nice 1821/22 8 Reales. Well, I've received another one today. Haven't spent a lot of time analyzing it, yet - it's still soaking in acetone (there's some weird spots of red "stuff" on the reverse).

It's the only backward overdate in the the Portrait 8 Reales series that I am aware of. Makes you wonder how this die came to be.

Here's the one from August:





Here's the one I received today. It's a little beat-up and cleaned, but starting to re-tone:

JZrarities

DANG YOU TAKE NICE PICTURES....


Oh,

Nice coins too.

laurentyvan

I love overdates, especially those!

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>DANG YOU TAKE NICE PICTURES....


Oh,

Nice coins too. >>



Thanks, Jeff. The trick now is to keep finding something to photograph

Laurent - I love overdates, as well. My favorite, though, would have to be hand re-cut features sometimes found on these. In fact, some of the counterfeits I've purchased were solely due to how cool the hand-cut eagle or portrait looked.

Hussulo

Great pictures Roman and an interesting overdate!

koincollect

Very interesting coin and like the overdate too. I am not an expert in this series, but seems to me from the first coin that it is a double overdate-- 1802/180x/179x based on the strange shape of the first 8. When were these first minted?

TwoKopeiki

The first Guadalajara piece was minted in 1812. I see what you mean in the first picture. Let me look closer at it when I get home.

Meiji

wow very nice coins, I love the toning on them. Do you have any pictures of the counterfeit recut Reales? Also do you use a professional camera with a micro lens + Camera Mount/stand?

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>wow very nice coins, I love the toning on them. Do you have any pictures of the counterfeit recut Reales? Also do you use a professional camera with a micro lens + Camera Mount/stand? >>



Hi Meiji,

I use an older version of Canon Rebel DSLR (XT) with a 105 Sigma Macro lens. Currently using a tripod, but doing some research into copy stands.

Here are a couple of counterfeits with hand-cut elements (let's see if you spot tell-tale signs of these not being authentic ):

1842 Zacatecas:


Another 1842 Zacatecas, this one from the last Heritage sale:


1817 Durango (check-out those lions!!):



My favorite crude counterfeit:


Cheers,

~Roman

Meiji

ROFL, I fell off my chair when I saw the last one. It looks like a portrait of a monkey, I love it. Poor Charles, he must be rolling over in his grave.
Yes most Durango has some crudeness to it, but the one you have is pretty bad. Where did you pick them up at? How much does the macro lens cost?

TwoKopeiki

I find them at local shows, 99% of the time marked as authentic. I carry "Resplandores" with me to illustrate what the authentic is supposed to look like, but usually a few minutes talking to the dealer, pointing-out the sure signs of a counterfeit, is enough to buy it at a large discount.

I also check eBay regularly, but there are counterfeit collectors that I have to compete with.

I am trying to arrange for a Library in the States to make me a hard-copy of Riddell's "Monograph of the Silver Dollar", which is a must-have for any early Mexican Republic counterfeit collector.

Meiji

Check out These:

Zacatecas

Weird Face area:
Peru

Wrong King but sold as Counterfeit.
Wrong King

MrEureka

The trick now is to keep finding something to photograph

All you need to do is bring your camera to New York! Doesn't mean you get to take the coins home, though.

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>All you need to do is bring your camera to New York! Doesn't mean you get to take the coins home, though. >>



Andy, next time my business takes me to NY - i'll definitely stop by with a camera

Meiji, the Zacatecas piece looks fine, to me. Similar die to the one I have in my collection. Lima piece matches the plate coin in Calbeto for 1824, but I would love to check it out in-hand. I have a snipe on that auction, but I think it might go for more than I'm willing to pay. The 1811 piece is most interesting - thin plating on top of copper core, I think. Hard to tell from those pictures. I'm 99% sure that Swamperbob will end-up sniping this one.

olmanjon

Now there is one collector who is an expert and know shat he is talking about. Great pictures Roman. After seeing your pictures how can we ever compete? Don't even want to post my blah scans accept for identefing my coins. Keep up the great work

TwoKopeiki

John, I'm afraid you give me more credit than due. I'm still learning, myself Thank you for the compliment about the photos, but please, please don't stop posting your coins! We all love to see coins shared on these boards. Every coin has a story and an image of it is only a small part ot it.

olmanjon

Hi Roman--one of these days I will be posting some great pictures also. My daughter is a photographer and my granddaughter is getting into photography herself, so with there help I too will have something to post. I have about a dozen coins that I would love to share with everyone. As soon as I get set up, I will post them. Olmanjon