BCS ( bad computer system)!!

Carew29

BCS showed today how worthless they really are. Their top 10 is laughable!! Ohio State has nobody left worth playing this year. If you are counting Illioni or Michigan as threats?? Pleazzzzzze, give me a break!!

Estil

Cool dudeish, Kentucky is in SEVENTH place in the BCS poll (as opposed to eighth in the AP Poll). Hey, WTF? We're only 13th place in the USA Today poll? Oh well, no one cares about that poll anyway.

Goot

USF USF USF!

coinkat

Illinois and Michigan are threats... as was Oregon State to Cal and Stanford to USC and even Kentucky to LSU.

Several teams this year have proven that on any given Saturday anything can happen and that is why we watch.

To say Michigan and Illinois are not threats to Ohio State indicates that you lack an appreciation of Big Ten Football

I think you should haven written Illini or Illinois not Illioni

Estil

<< <i>The BCS showed a long time ago how worthless it is. As everyone always keeps saying, college football NEEDS a playoff system so that we can avoid having undeafeted teams not playing each other. >>



I disagree. The fact that we HAVE champs determined by polls and have debates over who is the national champion is what gives college football its charm. Playoffs are for the NFL.

stitzen

USC wins and loses three places? LSU loses and only loses three?

Cal drops from 2 to 12th?

Ridiculous.

Estil

Hey, just so long as the poll reads like this when it's all said and done, that's all that matters:

1. Kentucky
(I don't care who gets ranks what in the rest of the poll)

Fairlaneman

<< <i>Hey, just so long as the poll reads like this when it's all said and done, that's all that matters:

1. Kentucky
(I don't care who gets ranks what in the rest of the poll) >>



Its good to see that Brooks is doing OK at Kentucky. He did a good job with my Ducks also when he was here. He still is the coach, right?

Oh yea. If Ohio State stays number 1 they will just get hammered in their bowl game. Thats a fact.

Go Ducks !

Ken

keets

Sour grapes.............................

Goot

<< <i>USC wins and loses three places? LSU loses and only loses three?

Cal drops from 2 to 12th?

Ridiculous. >>



USC beat a pretty crappy AZ team by 7 and trailed for a lot of the game. IMO the voters made up for last weeks stupidity of only dropping USC to 10th after losing to Stanford. LSU dropped 3 because they lost to the now number 8 team in the nation AT the number 8 team in the nation in 3 overtimes. Don't know much about Cal and can't tell whether or not you're pissed about them falling but USC fell from 2nd to 10th after losing to Stanford which is a hell of a lot worse than losing to Oregon State.

alpemomo

7 teams in the top 25 and 3 in the top 10 - the SEC finally get the recognition it deserves.

The SEC is the toughest division in NCAA football - period!


If they had a playoff system the winner of the SEC would win 9 out of 10 times every year, these guys play the toughest schedule every year, last year proved how much better the SEC is than any other conference.

stitzen

<< <i>7 teams in the top 25 and 3 in the top 10 - the SEC finally get the recognition it deserves.

The SEC is the toughest division in NCAA football - period!


If they had a playoff system the winner of the SEC would win 9 out of 10 times every year, these guys play the toughest schedule every year, last year proved how much better the SEC is than any other conference. >>



PAC10 is actually better, don't let the east coast biased media confuse you.

SEC is a great conference, but the PAC10 has definitely overtaken them.

alpemomo

PAC10 is actually better, don't let the east coast biased media confuse you.

SEC is a great conference, but the PAC10 has definitely overtaken them/i]

And that is based on what?? The pac-10 has 4 team in the top 25 and and two in the top 10

Axe I know you want to believe the in the "east coast biased media" stuff but what do you base the pac-10 supremacy on? Last year you stated the Gators were overrated and that Ohio St would kill them, how did that work out?

Fact is every year the SEC puts out the highest number of top 25 teams - it's ok though the Pac-10 is good choice for #2. On the other hand the ACC has slipped significantly - VT and and UVA are overrated, Miami and FSU both suck. BC is the only true good team from the ACC.

keets

while the SEC is indeed a tough conference it's important to remember that come January they'll probably be shut out of the Championship game, in part because they beat the hell out of each other in the regular season. these things run in cycles and when a team that does well as Ohio State is currently doing, they often fall victim to their own conference's weaknesses and schedule. with the current system it means that such an opponent really needs to pile it on to score in the poll. when the SEC weakens(and make no misrake about it, it will) the same rules will be in place to help it's dominant team while the rest of the country whines about how weak the schedule is. heard it for years going back to the mid-60's when Ohio State would run things up on the other weak schools and get beat by USC in the Rose Bowl.

i'm a fan for a playoff system of some sort but that would most likely mean an overhauling of team schedules and perhaps even conferences, something that would lose alumni backing/money, so it'll never happen. perhaps the best approach is to just refine the system we use and pray that the changes made better reflect who the best teams are in the hunt for the Championship each year. till then, we just have to live with late season losses and slides in the poll, no matter how good we each think our teams and conferences are.

Fairlaneman

<< <i>Sour grapes............................. >>



Nope, just a fact Keets. If Michigan takes down Ohio State I will be ROTFLMAO. Oregon just slaughtered Michigan and probably would do the same thing to another slow, lumbering Big 10 team. One of these days the Big 10 will discover speed and diverse offense. Untill then they just plain suck but are the darlings of the East Coast Press.

Thats a Fact Jack !

Ken

keets

Ken, you're apparently arguing with yourself since i don't necessarily disagree with you----------my Sour Grapes was directed at the OP, it just happened to be posted after your reply.

as to Ohio State, while i'm a Buckeye fan i also laugh hard while shaking my head when they lose to Michigan, but with the way things are up north that probably won't happen this year. we actually have a very good defense and an offense that not bad, but to your assertion-----another slow, lumbering Big 10 team. One of these days the Big 10 will discover speed and diverse offense-----i figure the former is wrong while the latter is correct. the poor performance of Big Ten teams has more to do with the coaching philosophy and style of play than the athletes.

also, i have always given more weight to the coaches votes and don't figure they get sucked into "Darling-ism" very often, Jack!!!

-----------the Michigan/Ohio game is always more about the rivalry and less about playing football, which is seriously stupid. everybody gets whipped up into a frothy frenzy because they think they're supposed to hate the other team for some reason; it's ends the regular schedule for both teams on a very negative note and i've thought for years and years that they should just play it first, get it out of the way and then focus on the sport.

it's a dumb tradition and i'm not the only fan that feels that way. but it is a good game and those darn writers from the East Coast Press just suck it up like so many lap dogs.

MPeter

I like to sit back and laugh at how dumb some people on here sound when it comes to debating the strength and weakness of different conferences. You can usually weed out who the stronger teams are in each conference because they play each other, but when it comes to conference vs conference, it's just a guessing game, because there just aren't games between top teams. It's your opinion and usually decided by the simple fact that you are a fan of a school in that conference and you live in that area of the country.

Keets - You said that the SEC teams will be shut out of the Championship game because they beat the hell out of each other in the regular season. That's what happens in every conference, not just the SEC. That's common sense. How else do you think a team compiles it's wins and losses in conference?

Fairlaneman - You should probably just stick to cheering for your Ducks in private and not blabbing on this forum. You rip Ohio State and Michigan. Maybe you should wait until your Ducks do something with their program before you brag about one win. Ohio State and Michigan have more conference and national championships than Oregon could ever dream about. They pack over 100,000 fans into their stadiums on a weekly basis compared to your skimpy 50,000. Those slow, lumbering Big Ten teams you mention have also man handled your little Ducks over the course of history. You were 12-26 against them before this season. That also includes an 0-7 record against Ohio State. I can only hope for your sake that you reach a Championship game against Ohio State! That would be fun for me to watch!

Goot

Fine, no one else jump in.
U-S-F!

U-S-F!

U-S-F!

RCGuy

College football already has a playoff system.

Divison I-FCS (Football Championship Series) formally known as Divison 1-AA
Division II
Division III

RCGuy

Why do people keep referring to a college team's "past glory", or the number of fans they draw to home games, when evaluating the college's present team??

That makes no sense.

Imagine if the same nonsense happened in any other sport...the NBA for example.

Would you say the Lakers are the best and strongest team this year, based upon the fact that they won back-to-back championships in the 80's?? Or even based upon how many fans they draw? Of course not! So why do it in college football?

IrishMike

Why would compare a college sport to an NBA team, totally stupid. College kids come and go in 1,2, 3 or 4 years. Some even graduate. NBA players can be picked up via trades, free agency, and sign long term contracts. If you are going to criticize others use a proper analogy to do so. Don't just throw out the first thing that comes to mind.

Fairlaneman

Keets....Sorry man.Forgot to read between the lines.

MPeter... Really I do not think I was blabbing about how good or bad the Ducks are. When you have followed a certain team for right at 50 years you know exactly how bad they have been in the past and how good they are right now. In the last ten years or so the Ducks have been very presentable for the most part. This years win against Michigan was not the first time and probably in the future Michigan could come back and just kick the Ducks butt. Thats what is great about college football.

Please remember that College Football is a game that is in the present and past seasons do not mean squat. I know that and maybe you should learn the concept also.

Have a very lovely Monday.

Ken

goose3

If there's one thing I've learned over the years about College Football it is this....

ANY given team can beat any other given team, regardless of rank, school, size, conference, etc...on ANY given Saturday.


People can talk all the crap they like during the season but all that matters is what the voters and computers think in the end.

Are my Buckeyes a number 1 team? Hell no.

Are my Buckeyes a number 1 team if they win out? Probably so.

Is there anyone else out there that should be rightfully number 1 at this time? Not that I've seen.

Connecticoin

Incredible that a program that has existed only 11 years is #2 in the AP poll and BCS!!

markj111

For those of you disparaging the BCS, take a step back and remember what we had before it existed. Frequently the number 1 team would not play #2 (or 3 or 4 or 5) in a bowl game. Brigham Young won a joke of a National Championship in a year (84?) in which they plaved a soft schedule, and then rallied late to beat a 6-6 team in its bowl game (which was essentially a home game for BYU).

The BCS has its flaws, but it is better than the old way. I prefer a playoff, and I hope we get one soon. I suggest that we have the Div 1 conference champions (the indies can join a conference or KMA) play it off. Adjust the numbers as necessary to make it work.

I read on the Sporting News site that the BYU championship team did not play a team that finished in the top 20, and only one opponent went to a bowl game.

Estil

I don't think a playoff belongs in college football. And even now I'm beginning to question the wisdom of MLB's wild card. I mean, sure, the other major sports have tons of wild cards but now that I think about it, the lack of wild cards (pre-1993) are really what gave MLB its charm and made it distinctive from the other sports. Same goes with no playoffs in college football.

markj111

I woud love to do away with the wild card, but I want a football playoff. It is the only sport at any level in college that is not decided on the field.

coinkat

BYU beat Michigan in the Holday Bowl which is played in San Diego... in those days that was the Bowl the WAC Champion was obligated to play in... I would not call that exactly a home game... but I agree that BYU did not really play a schedule worthy of a National Championship.

frankhardy

<< <i>Fine, no one else jump in.
U-S-F!

U-S-F!

U-S-F!

>>




Ashley asked me to post this instead - GO BIG BLUE!!!!!!! (UK blue, that is)

stitzen

They need to hire a group of people to watch every single game and come up with rankings that are somewhat based in reality, instead of having people rank teams and have no idea what teams are good and which are products of their schedule.

No offense, but there's no way that BC, for example, is a top 10 football program...sorry, but there are many other teams that would beat BC repeatedly.

Goot

<< <i>No offense, but there's no way that BC, for example, is a top 10 football program...sorry, but there are many other teams that would beat BC repeatedly. >>



Calm down, we're only 1/2 of the way through, the best will prove they are the best and those that don't deserve it will falter.

RCGuy

<< <i>Why would compare a college sport to an NBA team, totally stupid. College kids come and go in 1,2, 3 or 4 years. Some even graduate. NBA players can be picked up via trades, free agency, and sign long term contracts. If you are going to criticize others use a proper analogy to do so. Don't just throw out the first thing that comes to mind. >>



Scoreboard!

LOL

coinkat

The Ducks have a very good team this year... as does Arizona State, Cal, and even the Trojans even though they have trouble demonstrating their talent.

IrishMike

Forget about the BCS determining the two playoff teams. Here is how you play for a national championship. Schedule the following teams:

Youngstown State
Akron
Washington
Northwestern
Minnesota
Purdue
Kent
Michigan State
Penn State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Meeshigan

MPeter

Can we stop ripping Ohio State for being #1 please! Every single team in college football has the same thing going on. They play their conference games and they play their non conference games. So once in a while, they play somebody a little bit easier than the others. Everyone does it! Sure the Buckeyes are playing Youngstown State and Kent State, but Kentucky also plays Kent State, BC plays Army and Massachusetts, Florida plays Troy and Florida Atlantic, LSU plays LA Tech and Middle Tennessee, South Carolina plays ULALA, Oklahoma plays North Texas, South Florida plays Elon and Florida Atlantic.............the list goes on and on. Everyone plays those types of schools.

You can't penalize a team either for the conference they play in. All the Big Ten teams are beating each other up this season, which means they are more evenly matched this year. People assume they are evenly matched, because they all suck. How do we know they aren't all good? 6 of the Big Ten teams have been ranked this season.......including 3 of those in the Top 5 in the nation. There must be something to that, don't you think?

Now a quick bit about Ohio State being #1.......why not? This team is 7-0. They have blasted everyone they've played this season....bad competition or not. They are only allowing 6 points a game on average. I know you can't bring previous seasons into it, but the preseason ranking systems do, so I will. Ohio State is 29-3 over the past three seasons. Other than their loss to Florida in the National Championship game, they haven't lost since October of 2005!

Everyone sat and watched USC cling to the #1 ranking for weeks and weeks when they looked bad, solely because of their reputation. LSU had their chance at #1 and lost a game. Ohio State is undefeated. The reason they are #1 and not USF or BC is because everyone knows the reputation of Ohio State as a winner. USF and BC are questionable.

Like a previous person mentioned.....it's still early in the season and the rankings will work themselves out. My prediction is an end of the year log jam between Ohio State, Oklahoma and Florida.........YES, Florida!! Big Ten, Big Twelve and SEC all at the top!

IrishMike

Wasn't a rip was having a little fun, you are correct ratings at this time of year mean very little. Only posted this cuz one of the diehard Buckeye fans has an irrational hatred for ND and enjoys ripping them any chance he gets (actually he can't help himself). Actually I am a Big Ten fan as I got my MBA from IU and two of my daughters graduated from Purdue. Post was meant as a fun jest not to rip. However that is a very lame schedule and they knew it at the time and did it to puff up their record, unfortunately till they have a playoff system that works more teams will have to do that.

MPeter

Yep, this forum is all for fun! Ohio State is really good every year, but I think they are even surprised at their level of play this season. I think their schedule was put together, because they thought they were going to have a down year. Michigan and Wisconsin were supposed to be competing for the Big Ten Championship. I guess it's up for grabs now.....who wants it the most!