Who had the most combined success as a player and as a manager?

My wife actually hit me with this question yesterday. The best I could come up with was Billy Martin, but I gotta think I'm missing someone. Player/manager Frank Chance of Cubs' ancient history also came to mind, but... hmmm. Anyone?
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<< <i>PETE ROSE!! >>
Bingo.
**Sorry if this was only supposed to be baseball guys** How about Red Schoendienst for bases. HOF player, head coach for 2 World Series teams and coach for at least one more I'm aware of.
<< <i>Most of them were probably turn of the century players (besides McGraw...Fred Clarke and Hughie Jennings come to mind) >>
I forgot about Clarke. I am changing my vote.
<< <i>Pete Rose >>
Was as awesome ball player, but only managed a little over 5 seasons and had a .525 record as a manager
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I would take Babe Ruth as a player, ignore his lack of managerial skills....over any player/manager ever.
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Gil Hodges deserves a mention, too.
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Thanks for the input, all. I'll pass it on to the Mrs.
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Yogi Berra - HOF player and won 2 pennants in a seven year managerial career
Felipe Alou - Better career as player than manager but still has had a long run as a .500 or thereabouts manager.
Dusty Baker - All star caliber playing career. 1,000+ wins as a manager over a .500+ career with several first place finishes and pennant
Alvin Dark - All Star career as player. Won two pennants , one series. Above .500 and close to 1,000 wins as manager
Larry Dierker - Decent , lengthy playing career 100+ winner as a pitcher. As a manager he won division four out of the five years he managed.
Leo Durocher - HOF manager but he was a decent player too. He played 17 years was a all star 3 times and had over 1,300 hits
Jim Fregosi. All star caliber playing career. Won over 1,000 games , two divisions and one pennant as manager.
Charlie Grimm - Probably should be in HOF. Over 2,200 hits in a all star caliber career. 1,200+ wins as a manager , including 4 pennants.
Mike Hargrove - All star caliber playing career. .500 record as manager with over a thousand wins. Won 5 division titles and 2 pennants
Miller Huggins - Old time HOF manager but also had a 13 year career and nearly 1,500 hits as a player
Davey Johnson - Semi star career as a player . Well over .500 as a manager with 1,100+ wins , 5 division winners and a World Series title
Al Lopez - HOF manager but also was a all star caliber catcher for 19 years. Think Joe Torre of yesteryear.
Billy Martin - Above average player over 11 years. As a manager should be in HOF. 1,200+ wins. .553% 6 division titles 3 pennants 2 champs
John McGraw - HOF legend manager. As a player he played 16 years. Had 1,300+ hits and a .334 career average
Steve O'Neill - Underrated fellow. As manager had over a 1,000 wins , .559% and won a series in 1945. Had 17 yrs as player with 1,200 + hits
Lou Piniella - All star caliber playing career. As manager 1,600+ wins , over .500 , 5 division titles and 1 World Series title
Red Schoendienst - HOF playing career . As manager , 1,000+wins , .522% , 2 pennants , 1 World Series title
Mike Scioscia - 13 year above average playing career. As manager , 3 division titles and 1 World Series title in 8 seasons
Billy Southworth - Had above average 13 year playing career with 1,300+ hits . As manager , 1,044 wins , .597% , 4 pennants and 2 champs.
Casey Stengel - Legendary HOF manager. above average player over 14 seasons with 1,219 hits and a .284 lifetime average.
Joe Torre - Borderline HOFer as player. Definite HOF manager. 11 division winners , 6 pennants and 4 World Series titles.
Bill Virdon - Semi star playing career. as manager 995 wins and a .519% to go with 3 division titles
It's a extensive list but I think that these fellows most fit the criteria. I left out the large amount of pre WW2 player/managers who held both positions for most of their career. As for my pick of the most successful ever .... It has to be Joe Torre. Big time playig career numbers coupled with all of the great years as Yankees manager gives him the nod.
I like this discussion since I think a lot about the player/manager combo for the HOF. Since Mattingly was a borderline HOF himself and can very likely be a manager someday, he will fall in the same boat if he has success with his teams.
I can imagine Torre getting into the HOF based on his playing career and managerial career combined. Few things are more certain.
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Without a doubt one of the 5 greatest hitters ever (with cobb and williams coming up in the discussion).
He led the Cards to the '26 World Series beating the yankees. The only player/coach thats hit .400 and won a world series as manager?
Ruth definitely overshadowed Hornsby in the 20's, if you take the Babe out of the equation, Hornsby absolutely dominated the decade. He lead the NL in the decade, in ba, hr, and rbi's.
Good point about Charlie Grimm.
I also want to mention that Felipe really labored under difficult constraints in Montreal, but always stayed patient and positive and often wrung blood out of a stone. No one, and I mean no one, worried me more in the 1995-onward NL East as much as his teams did, year in and year out.
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Lou piniella was a very good player..at least good hitter. Tony LaRussa also played Lasorda played less than one year. Nellie fox was also hofer and listed as a player/coach on his 65 card
in bk wooden wins hands down also...but he was basically a college coach.
in the NBA possible hof coasches who played...phil jackson, pat riley, george karl, don nelson, and I believe bob petite.
Wilkins of course was NBA hofer as player and coach.
in HK I can think of larry robinson. Would player/owner who controls coach count....Mario Lemieux
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<< <i>Nobody had more combined success as a player/manager than John McGraw. He is the only one that I can think of that could have gone into the HOF as either a player or manager. >>
That was my pick as soon as I saw the thread title.