I don't have a favorite but as for the best you have to go with Pujols. I think that Miguel Cabrera should be noted too though. He is definitely under rated.
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I know that this post will be scoffed at because of my avatar and signature picture - but, you guys mean to tell me that some of those guys that have been mentioned are better than Albert Pujols in the 21st century? Now, I could be mistaken that you guys are mentioning these as your favorite and not the best. That's why I mentioned both who was my favorite and then who I thought was the best. So...Carl Crawford is better than Pujols; Ichiro is better than Pujols (maybe there is an arguement for him, but I don't think so); Adam Dunn is better than Pujols; Jake Peavy...; Hunter Pence...; David Wright...; Ryan Zimmerman...; Chad Cordero...; Ryan Howard...; Prince Fielder...; Grady Sizemore....
Again, if you guys are saying that these guys are your favorite players, then I don't have a problem with that at all. But to say that these guys have had better careers in the 21st century is insane.
Whats more impressive today? Dominating pitching stats, or hitting stats? WIth the inflated offensive production in the game the last ten years, some of pujols accomplishments dont really have the luster they would have 40 years ago.
Besides, what was the point of this thread if you were going to disagree with people choices, why not just call this thread what it is- pujols propoganda.
Edited to add that i thought you started this thread, but either way, it is people opinions, not facts.
<< <i>I know that this post will be scoffed at because of my avatar and signature picture - but, you guys mean to tell me that some of those guys that have been mentioned are better than Albert Pujols in the 21st century? Now, I could be mistaken that you guys are mentioning these as your favorite and not the best. That's why I mentioned both who was my favorite and then who I thought was the best. So...Carl Crawford is better than Pujols; Ichiro is better than Pujols (maybe there is an arguement for him, but I don't think so); Adam Dunn is better than Pujols; Jake Peavy...; Hunter Pence...; David Wright...; Ryan Zimmerman...; Chad Cordero...; Ryan Howard...; Prince Fielder...; Grady Sizemore....
Again, if you guys are saying that these guys are your favorite players, then I don't have a problem with that at all. But to say that these guys have had better careers in the 21st century is insane.
Sorry to be so blunt, but I felt it necessary. >>
Pujols is definitely the superior player to this point but what do you think about Miguel Cabrera being near his equal? Pujols has a few more years under his belt but if you compare their stats they really are very similar. I honestly didn't know that they were this close statistically. I think Cabrera is getting overlooked due to playing in Florida.
<< <i>I know that this post will be scoffed at because of my avatar and signature picture - but, you guys mean to tell me that some of those guys that have been mentioned are better than Albert Pujols in the 21st century? Now, I could be mistaken that you guys are mentioning these as your favorite and not the best. That's why I mentioned both who was my favorite and then who I thought was the best. So...Carl Crawford is better than Pujols; Ichiro is better than Pujols (maybe there is an arguement for him, but I don't think so); Adam Dunn is better than Pujols; Jake Peavy...; Hunter Pence...; David Wright...; Ryan Zimmerman...; Chad Cordero...; Ryan Howard...; Prince Fielder...; Grady Sizemore....
Again, if you guys are saying that these guys are your favorite players, then I don't have a problem with that at all. But to say that these guys have had better careers in the 21st century is insane.
Sorry to be so blunt, but I felt it necessary. >>
Pujols is definitely the superior player to this point but what do you think about Miguel Cabrera being near his equal? Pujols has a few more years under his belt but if you compare their stats they really are very similar. I honestly didn't know that they were this close statistically. I think Cabrera is getting overlooked due to playing in Florida. >>
I agree that Cabrera is close. He just needs to do it a few more years.
<< <i>Whats more impressive today? Dominating pitching stats, or hitting stats? WIth the inflated offensive production in the game the last ten years, some of pujols accomplishments dont really have the luster they would have 40 years ago. >>
Ok, then let's debate best offensive player and then let's debate pitchers separately.
With pitching, you think Peavy is the best pitcher in the 21st century? He may be the best pitcher this year, but not for the past 7 years. It's not even close. And I don't mean to be hard on people's opinion's, and I certainly will not be hard if a certain player is a person's FAVORITE player. But when it comes to BEST, I think someone's choice is open to a little more debate. That's all I'm trying to say.
I do think peavy has the best "stuff" of any pitcher in the game today. And dont take what i typed as a slam at albert. He is obviously a dominating player.
<< <i>I do think peavy has the best "stuff" of any pitcher in the game today. And dont take what i typed as a slam at albert. He is obviously a dominating player. >>
I would agree that, right now, he may have the best stuff. But the thread is about best in this century. No problem.
I usually bite my tongue, but here I will not. This started as a nice thread, but here we go again.....Yes, Pujols is a great player. Enough already. Do you always have to hijack peoples threads and turn them into your own little "Pujols is the greatest ever" thread? Heaven forbid if anyone can have a say so on who they like or who they think is the best. Everyone is different. That is what makes this hobby great. I'm out.......
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<< <i>I usually bite my tongue, but here I will not. This started as a nice thread, but here we go again.....Yes, Pujols is a great player. Enough already. Do you always have to hijack peoples threads and turn them into your own little "Pujols is the greatest ever" thread? Heaven forbid if anyone can have a say so on who they like or who they think is the best. Everyone is different. That is what makes this hobby great. I'm out....... >>
Apparently, you did not read what I posted. I have never hijacked anyones thread. There was no mean intentions here at all. Just a little debate. That is all. When I see these kind of threads, I just think of them as a friendly debate. I am sorry if anyone thinks otherwise. I have my opinions. Others have there own opinions. That is fine. I don't have a problem with that. On the other hand, when someone gets on a thread like this and says that (let's see, someone out of the blue) Geoff Jenkins (or the like) is the best player of this century, I think that just sort of opens the door for an argument against it. I just don't want "debate" misunderstood for "hjjacking one's thread". Part of my personality is that I like to debate. Some people do, some people don't. And I really love to debate when I think that I'm right. That goes with religion, politics, sports, science, etc. I also think that debating "facts" can be done (and should be done) in a nice way without being mean-spirited, and I don't think I was being mean about it.
Edited to say: I also find it fascinating that NO ONE has brought up Alex Rodriguez as the BEST (not favorite) of this century. Heck, I would even consider Barry Bonds (statistically speaking) as a candidate. Now, that would be the topic of some great debating - Pujols, Rodriguez, or Bonds. Are there any players that have been better in this century?
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<< <i> Arod is a better player.....but we talking 2000+, I would pick Johan Santana. I prefer good pitching over good hitting anyday. >>
I agree with you on Santana. He might be a little more forgotten this year because 2007 wasn't very good by his standards, but he's got to be considered the premier pitcher post 2000.
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Peavy is probably the best.
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Hes hitting his way through this decade like Wade Boggs did in the 80's. ( not exactly like Boggs )
Boggs avg was over .350 from 82-89! That is crazy. Who can say they played 8 years of a decade with an avg over .350!!!! Insane.
And a hell of alot faster on the bases. Boggs was a tank. Good glove though.
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He reminds me a bit of Pete Rose but with more power and less pugnaciousness.
What he did to help the Indians win against the Red Sox is simply awesome.
Again, if you guys are saying that these guys are your favorite players, then I don't have a problem with that at all. But to say that these guys have had better careers in the 21st century is insane.
Sorry to be so blunt, but I felt it necessary.
Shane
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Edited to add that i thought you started this thread, but either way, it is people opinions, not facts.
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<< <i>I know that this post will be scoffed at because of my avatar and signature picture - but, you guys mean to tell me that some of those guys that have been mentioned are better than Albert Pujols in the 21st century? Now, I could be mistaken that you guys are mentioning these as your favorite and not the best. That's why I mentioned both who was my favorite and then who I thought was the best. So...Carl Crawford is better than Pujols; Ichiro is better than Pujols (maybe there is an arguement for him, but I don't think so); Adam Dunn is better than Pujols; Jake Peavy...; Hunter Pence...; David Wright...; Ryan Zimmerman...; Chad Cordero...; Ryan Howard...; Prince Fielder...; Grady Sizemore....
Again, if you guys are saying that these guys are your favorite players, then I don't have a problem with that at all. But to say that these guys have had better careers in the 21st century is insane.
Sorry to be so blunt, but I felt it necessary. >>
Pujols is definitely the superior player to this point but what do you think about Miguel Cabrera being near his equal? Pujols has a few more years under his belt but if you compare their stats they really are very similar. I honestly didn't know that they were this close statistically. I think Cabrera is getting overlooked due to playing in Florida.
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<< <i>I know that this post will be scoffed at because of my avatar and signature picture - but, you guys mean to tell me that some of those guys that have been mentioned are better than Albert Pujols in the 21st century? Now, I could be mistaken that you guys are mentioning these as your favorite and not the best. That's why I mentioned both who was my favorite and then who I thought was the best. So...Carl Crawford is better than Pujols; Ichiro is better than Pujols (maybe there is an arguement for him, but I don't think so); Adam Dunn is better than Pujols; Jake Peavy...; Hunter Pence...; David Wright...; Ryan Zimmerman...; Chad Cordero...; Ryan Howard...; Prince Fielder...; Grady Sizemore....
Again, if you guys are saying that these guys are your favorite players, then I don't have a problem with that at all. But to say that these guys have had better careers in the 21st century is insane.
Sorry to be so blunt, but I felt it necessary. >>
Pujols is definitely the superior player to this point but what do you think about Miguel Cabrera being near his equal? Pujols has a few more years under his belt but if you compare their stats they really are very similar. I honestly didn't know that they were this close statistically. I think Cabrera is getting overlooked due to playing in Florida. >>
I agree that Cabrera is close. He just needs to do it a few more years.
Shane
<< <i>Whats more impressive today? Dominating pitching stats, or hitting stats? WIth the inflated offensive production in the game the last ten years, some of pujols accomplishments dont really have the luster they would have 40 years ago. >>
Ok, then let's debate best offensive player and then let's debate pitchers separately.
With pitching, you think Peavy is the best pitcher in the 21st century? He may be the best pitcher this year, but not for the past 7 years. It's not even close. And I don't mean to be hard on people's opinion's, and I certainly will not be hard if a certain player is a person's FAVORITE player. But when it comes to BEST, I think someone's choice is open to a little more debate. That's all I'm trying to say.
Shane
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<< <i>I do think peavy has the best "stuff" of any pitcher in the game today. And dont take what i typed as a slam at albert. He is obviously a dominating player. >>
I would agree that, right now, he may have the best stuff. But the thread is about best in this century. No problem.
Shane
I'm out.......
<< <i>I usually bite my tongue, but here I will not. This started as a nice thread, but here we go again.....Yes, Pujols is a great player. Enough already. Do you always have to hijack peoples threads and turn them into your own little "Pujols is the greatest ever" thread? Heaven forbid if anyone can have a say so on who they like or who they think is the best. Everyone is different. That is what makes this hobby great.
I'm out....... >>
Apparently, you did not read what I posted. I have never hijacked anyones thread. There was no mean intentions here at all. Just a little debate. That is all. When I see these kind of threads, I just think of them as a friendly debate. I am sorry if anyone thinks otherwise. I have my opinions. Others have there own opinions. That is fine. I don't have a problem with that. On the other hand, when someone gets on a thread like this and says that (let's see, someone out of the blue) Geoff Jenkins (or the like) is the best player of this century, I think that just sort of opens the door for an argument against it. I just don't want "debate" misunderstood for "hjjacking one's thread". Part of my personality is that I like to debate. Some people do, some people don't. And I really love to debate when I think that I'm right. That goes with religion, politics, sports, science, etc. I also think that debating "facts" can be done (and should be done) in a nice way without being mean-spirited, and I don't think I was being mean about it.
Edited to say: I also find it fascinating that NO ONE has brought up Alex Rodriguez as the BEST (not favorite) of this century. Heck, I would even consider Barry Bonds (statistically speaking) as a candidate. Now, that would be the topic of some great debating - Pujols, Rodriguez, or Bonds. Are there any players that have been better in this century?
Shane
Hence no Bonds, Rodriguez ect...
<< <i>The person who started the topic said the player must be a rookie in 2000 or later.
Hence no Bonds, Rodriguez ect... >>
Arod is a better player.....but we talking 2000+, I would pick Johan Santana. I prefer good pitching over good hitting anyday.
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<< <i>The person who started the topic said the player must be a rookie in 2000 or later.
Hence no Bonds, Rodriguez ect... >>
I did not notice that. Sorry.
Shane
<< <i>Pujols end of conversation. This is pretty much the same as asking who is the best basketball player of the 1990's.... >>
Yeah, he played for the Bulls...Stacey King!
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<< <i>Pujols end of conversation. This is pretty much the same as asking who is the best basketball player of the 1990's.... >>
Shaq?
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Arod is a better player.....but we talking 2000+, I would pick Johan Santana. I prefer good pitching over good hitting anyday. >>
I agree with you on Santana. He might be a little more forgotten this year because 2007 wasn't very good by his standards, but he's got to be considered the premier pitcher post 2000.