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1947 KC Monarchs Team Signed and Game Used Ball. Opinions on value ?

BuffaloBisonsHockeyBuffaloBisonsHockey Posts: 123
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Wondering if anyone might have an opinion as too the value of this 1947 KC Monarchs ball as well as the game used ball. I have never seen either a team signed Negro league ball or a game used ball. I also am posting a letter from Clifford (Connie) Johnson as well as some photos. I wrote to Connie Johnson asking him if he knew what this ball was. Below is a list of the players on the ball as well as their position and years they played for the Monarchs.

James "Lefty" LaMarque P 1941-49
Henry Thompson 2B/OF 1943, 1945-48
Willard Brown OF 1935-43, 1946-51 in HOF
John G Scott OF 1945-48
Hilton Smith P 1936-48 in HOF
Earl Taborn C 1946-50
Othello Renfroe OF 1945-47
Herbert Souell INF 1940-51
Red Berry P 1947
Ford Smith P 1941, 1946-48
Ted Alexander P 1943-47
Ted Strong INF/OF 1937-42, 1946-47
Clifford (Connie) Johnson P 1941-42, 1946-50
John Hergert Umpire ?
Howard Moldern Umpire ?

I also have a ball which I will post later. It is an official "Negro American League" ball. Written on it is "This ball made last out 9/2/47. 1 H of D vs Monarchs 8. Caught by O'Neill. Umpires Bill Kiefer-John Hergert"

I got both balls about 25 years ago. Believe it or not...my wife and I went to a Goodwill store here in Phoenix, looking for antiques when I saw these balls in a display case. Total cost $10.

Any opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks, John

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  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    not sure about a value on it,but its a beaut thats for sure ,esp for 10.00 for 2, i need to find some like that,ive never loked at salvation army or goodwill before-slap on ebay and find out lol-somebody that knows more about the negro leagers on it than i do will know
    randy
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I got both balls about 25 years ago. Believe it or not... >>



    I got both mine 22 years ago. Nice Balls.
  • BuffaloBisonsHockeyBuffaloBisonsHockey Posts: 123


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    << <i>I got both balls about 25 years ago. Believe it or not... >>



    I got both mine 22 years ago. Nice Balls. >>



    LOL....Back at ya.
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  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    i used to have all the most of the guys you have on the ball now years ago,not on a ball though,just index cards like im doing now, but sold em for next to nothing years ago to a millionaire for next to nothing like an idiot,i got out of collecting for a long time,hes now got em all displayed in his boxing guy,i want em back bad lol!!back in 1986 when i baseball cards mag put a whole list of em in there,there were prob 5-600 alive back then, about 200 now-they are all getting real old-oldest one is emilio navarro-hes 102!
    im no expert by any means but have been looking up names in meiselmans,i do believe they are all dead
    randy
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,487 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Am I having deja vu all over again?

    It seems I've seen this ball someplace?

    mike
    Mike
  • BuffaloBisonsHockeyBuffaloBisonsHockey Posts: 123


    << <i>Am I having deja vu all over again?

    It seems I've seen this ball someplace?

    mike >>



    You are right...originaly posted to rubes thread. Sorry for the repeat
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  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    sombody will tell ya something avbout it that knows about that kinds of stuff-not a whole lot of negro league collectors around, they didnt geta whole lot of credit or respect back in those days to say the least,great guys though,i had letters of tons of em in my original collection,most of do well towrite now,pretty old and shakey
  • BuffaloBisonsHockeyBuffaloBisonsHockey Posts: 123
    Here are pics of the game used ball.

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  • ROCKCITYCHRISROCKCITYCHRIS Posts: 123
    Is the ball for sale? If it is let me know!The most important autographs on the ball are Willard Brown and Hilton Smith both Hofers. Another over looked and very rare signature on the ball is that of Ted Strong who died in 1951 and was a all star player. Nice find ! He was also one of the original touring members of the Harlem Globetrotters.
    My autograph Collection
    http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/ROCKCITY24/?start=0
  • ClemazClemaz Posts: 1,422
    I love that minor league photo of Johhny Bench.
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  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    there is another negro leaguer that was a harlem globetrotter too, dont have my list rite now beside me, hes in wv,sent for auto
  • ROCKCITYCHRISROCKCITYCHRIS Posts: 123
    Also dont know if you realized but the h of d on the game used ball stands for the House of David baseball team. Do a google search and theres some real interesting info on this team of barnstormers.
    My autograph Collection
    http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/ROCKCITY24/?start=0
  • ROCKCITYCHRISROCKCITYCHRIS Posts: 123
    Also dont know if you realized but the h of d on the game used ball stands for the House of David baseball team. Do a google search and theres some real interesting info on this team of barnstormers.
    My autograph Collection
    http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/ROCKCITY24/?start=0
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    Did anyone mention that the O'Niel photo looks like it had a facsimile auto that someone tried to trace over??
  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Did anyone mention that the O'Niel photo looks like it had a facsimile auto that someone tried to trace over?? >>



    Might have been a faulty pen. I've have some older autos like that. The player just started over, on top of the first attempt.

    For example:
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    Collector of most things Frank Thomas. www.BigHurtHOF.com
  • baseballfanaticbaseballfanatic Posts: 2,415 ✭✭
    The O'Neil is definately traced over
    The Mays autograph was done with an old Flair pen
  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The O'Neil is definately traced over
    The Mays autograph was done with an old Flair pen >>



    Flair pen? I'm not familiar with those. Thanks for the info. It's a beaut of an example of a Mays auto, all but for the "do over" part. I love it anyway. I'll Google Flair pen to find out more about it, but any other info you can share would be appreciated.

    Thanks.

    Ross
    Collector of most things Frank Thomas. www.BigHurtHOF.com
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