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Is the Epstein 1872 PCGS66RD the finest of all time?

shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
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1872 is the true IH key. All due respects to Stewart's Indian Princess 1877,
even he would admit a full RD 1872 high grade is impossible to find.

The Santa Fe collection recently sold this Ex Epstein for $126,500.00.
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Compared to Stewart's.
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  • RBinTexRBinTex Posts: 4,328 ✭
    Stewart's looks nicer - especially the obverse.
  • jacktheknifejacktheknife Posts: 1,547 ✭


    They both have attributes. I think the strike on the first coin (as imaged) is nicer. The second coin is very clean appearing. Either one is nothing to sneeze at!!

    Jack

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Either one is nothing to sneeze at!!

    quite literally! image
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey, this is what does happens when you do sneeze when downloading pictures of your 1872 Indian head cent. No kidding. LOL


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  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424 ✭
    Does the UNITED on blay's coin look like that in hand or is it the pictures? If just the pics, then i would vote Blays coin! Both are gorgeous though.
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had heard rumors 5-10 years ago of a top TPG slabbed MS66RD 1872 cent that was stripped and articially colored by one of the top East Coast Docs. Did that coin ever get ferreted out?

    roadrunner
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  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,008 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The UNITED on Stewart's coin does look a little weak.

    But... pictures never tell the whole story, and the picture of Stewart's coin looks a little overexposed. Also that subtle bit of toning on the Epstein example really brings out the devices. I don't think that the Blay example has any less detail on the portrait, but merely no toning to accent it. If you look closely there is definition in the details.
    Doug
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Does the UNITED on blay's coin look like that in hand or is it the pictures?

    It's the weak point of this coin, the image is true there.

    The shield on the Epstein is fuller as well.

    The Epstein strike is better, or equal, in all areas except AMERICA.

    The cheek on the Blay is cleaner, I always look at that first.
    And, aside from the strange spot/discoloration on the neck
    and between the 7th & 8th feathers, the Blay coin is much cleaner.
    The Blay reverse, though slightly less well struck, is imaculate.
    The area below the C of CENTS on the Epstein is a problem.

    I like the Blay coin for overall eye appeal.



    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both 1872 and 1867 are extremely tough in 65-66R. If you had those RB highlights on a common date, it woldn't likely be in a red holder.
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  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Lakesammman - Both 1872 and 1867 are extremely tough in 65-66R. If you had those RB highlights on a common date, it wouldn't likely be in a red holder.

    Agreed. I've never seen a full RD 1872.
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