Guidelines are changing in the NFL
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Owners are tired of paying big contracts and not getting satisfactory results from the players. As early as next year a new pay structure could be implemented in the NFL. Players who already have contracts will be grandfathered in. Once the system is approved by the players union it will be effective the following season. There will be no more 100 million dollar contracts with bonus incentives. Everyone coming into the league will get the same base pay. From there they can increase their pay depending upon their performance. Defensive players get paid per tackle, interception, fumble recovery etc. Same for the offensive players, you get the idea. Sounds kinda like fantasy football doesnt it? Believe it or not it's coming.
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Search South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com Web enhanced by Login or register Subscribe Today Skolnick: NFL should pay for performance, not potential
Ethan J. Skolnick | Sports columnist
September 30, 2007
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Roger Goodell has tackled plenty during his short tenure as NFL commissioner. Much still requires attention, however. Today, one lingering problem will be represented by the $61 million man who stands just a Daunte Culpepper injury away from facing the Dolphins, even if he's far from ready.
That player is JaMarcus Russell, the former LSU quarterback who missed the entire offseason in a holdout after the Oakland Raiders chose him No. 1 overall.
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The problem is the league's financial tilt toward rookies over veterans, potential over performance, projections over production. The system compares unfavorably to the equitable system the NBA installed 13 years ago and benefits only the agents, who use rich rookie deals as recruiting tools.
That agent competition creates lengthy rookie holdouts which lead to wasted seasons, unless a coach caves in and plays the raw kid simply to placate the fans and start justifying the investment.
That hurts the product.
"I would put a cap value on rookies, where they had to earn the big contract," said Dolphins defensive tackle Keith Traylor, a third-round pick in 1991. "These guys come in, get the first-round money, don't hardly ever play in this league, just special teams — they ain't earning it."
In the NBA, players do. In 1994, No. 1 overall pick Glenn Robinson received a 10-year, $68 million contract. Then came the rookie cap. Greg Oden, the No. 1 overall pick in 2007, signed a contract that will earn him $12.5 million over three years, provided Portland picks up an option for the third year. That makes it a little easier for the Trail Blazers to accept the knee injury that will kill Oden's rookie season. In the NBA, the defined salary slots eliminate the holdouts. Perform like Dwyane Wade and LeBron James did during their first three seasons, and you'll receive a lucrative extension.
Russell's debut season, like Oden's, is virtually shot. Yet the Raiders have already guaranteed $32 million. That's why most NFL executives would gladly pass on all top-10 picks. The picks are too risky, expensive and pampered.
Jay Feely, the Dolphins' kicker and players association representative, called the current system "terrible" and sides with the owners, who want a rookie cap, rather than the union's upper management. In his view, a rookie cap would still reward players for their college careers and potential, "but the majority of the money goes to players who have performed in the NFL." Feely has discussed his position with NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw, but Upshaw has argued he would rather pay the players who will remain in the league longer.
Shouldn't the league pay the guys who can actually play?
Why should players be paid based on scouts' projections, when scouts are so often wrong?
Feely pointed to the Seahawks' stalwart tackle, Walter Jones, who was denied a lucrative long-term deal for years.
"Then [Oakland's] Robert Gallery comes in, and gets a bigger contract in his initial deal than Walter Jones ended up getting in his," Feely said. "There's something that's not right."
Gallery, picked No. 2 overall in 2004, struggled so much at tackle that he moved to guard.
By comparison, the Dolphins' Ronnie Brown (No. 2 overall in 2005) has been a dominant force. Still, are the Dolphins getting their $42 million in guarantees' worth from their last three first-round choices? When Jason Allen can't find his way on the field? When Ted Ginn Jr. is so far from polished?
According to Feely, of the league's 10-year veterans, more were drafted in the seventh round or not at all than were drafted in the first round.
"It has to do with heart and desire," Feely said.
Vonnie Holliday was the No. 24 pick in 1998. He had sufficient desire, and he has played 10 seasons. All-time bust Ryan Leaf was 1998's No. 2 pick.
"He became uncoachable, no one wanted him, and he's out of the league," Holliday said.
Holliday's solution? If not a rookie cap, then more incentive-based contracts. He viewed Ricky Williams' much-ridiculed rookie deal as a model.
"At some point, somebody is going to have to step up, because guys are coming in, and you don't know what you're getting," Holliday said. "You give a guy $20 or $30 million, and three years from now, he's out of the league. A lot of guys come in, and they get the big money. And what's the motivation? They're living the life."
When others are more richly deserving.
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Completely unrelated to your original post (and please, next time you post a story, can you cut out all the extraneous crap?)
Next time I'll delete the long words to make it easier for you.
All the article references is a cap on rookie contracts...it has nothing to do with the pay per play system you talked about in your initial post, and it only talks about ROOKIE contracts. And there sure as hell is no language in that article that says it's going to happen 'as soon as next year'.
You realize that's an editorial article, right?
Even if either party put this on the table, the current CBA was recently extended until 2011 or something.
<< <i>The NFL collective bargaining agreement was amended in 2006. It can be changed as early as the 2008 season according to article XXIV. >>
I could be wrong but I don't think that is the case. I'm not a lawyer but I read through article XXIV and didn't see anything like that.
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Additionally, why in the world would either the former commissioner, NFLPA, or the Owners allow the CBA to be changed less that 2 years after it was extended? It's not like this is a minor issue...
Again, the article you posted was an opinion, not something that's currently on the table for negotiations.
<< <i>The NFL collective bargaining agreement was amended in 2006. It can be changed as early as the 2008 season according to article XXIV. >>
Your thread title says the guidelines ARE changing, not that it CAN be changed...then you post some article hypothetically stating how rookie contracts SHOULD be amended, not that they WILL be amended.
It's apparent from your previous posts that you think all NFL players are bums, that you think that once they sign a lucrative contract they no longer play, and that pro players are overpaid. Just because you want something to happen, doesn't mean it will.
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<< <i>Just because you want something to happen, doesn't mean it will. >>
That's what she said!
<< <i>Think about it, stadiums can only hold so many people. As an owner you can only charge so much for parking and concessions. Players salaries keep going up, up, up. It has to stop. Ticket prices are borderline ridiculous now. How much is someone willing to pay to go to a game? This has been coming for years, the owners and the league saw it coming but put it off as long as possible. It's really no different than the price of gold or the housing market, once it peaks, it has to drop back and stabilize. >>
Just because YOU feel this way doesn't mean it's a majority opinion. The NFL has never been more popular, and is by far and away the most popular sport in the US.
What has been coming for years? This phantom idea of a pay per play pay structure? You are delusional.
<< <i>How much is someone willing to pay to go to a game? >>
My tickets are $89 per seat and I don't even think twice about it. Heck, would be willing to pay $125 even with a losing team.
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<< <i>How much is someone willing to pay to go to a game? >>
My tickets are $89 per seat and I don't even think twice about it. Heck, would be willing to pay $125 even with a losing team. >>
Shhhhhhhh. Don't give the team owners any ideas.
Why?
Edited to add- stitzen, NASCAR is the most popular sport in the United States not football. Sorry, wrong again.
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Edited to add- stitzen, NASCAR is the most popular sport in the United States not football. Sorry, wrong again. >>
If you think NASCAR is more popular than the NFL, then it's no wonder you have these delusional thoughts that NFL players are 'bums' and that a college team could beat a pro team.
NASCAR fills one track once a week with what, 100k or so people, and a nationwide audience of what, a million people a race? Throw in the decline of NASCAR viewership (an article dated june 26th of this year found here proves it.
Now, football fills 12 or more stadiums each week, and a weekly tv viewing audience in the millions....now, you tell me which one is more popular.
More fans in the seats, more fans watching on tv = more popular. Class is dismissed.
<< <i>Willing to pay $125.00 to watch a losing team?
Why? >>
Because they are, by far, the best value.
My Astro tickets are 10 rows up from home plate and cost $49/seat.
Old Rocket tickets (didn't renew for the first time in probably 20 years) are 4 rows up, just behind the visitor's bench for $175 (I think).
Regardless of the fact that I MUST pay full prices and purchase preseason, NFL tickets are the best value compared to the other sports.
<< <i>stitzen, not to beat a dead horse but NASCAR sanctions over 1500 races at over 100 tracks in 38 states. Not to mention Canada and Mexico. Bet'cha didnt know that.
Your point is?
Please reference statistics that show higher attendance, tv ratings, and revenue for NASCAR over football.
Otherwise retract your statement that NASCAR is more popular.