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Does New England have a shot at winning the AFC East?

ScavengerScavenger Posts: 987
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image How pathetic is that division, Miami hasnt won a game and it doesnt look like they will. And the only game Buffalo has won was against the Jets. (One of them had to win). Good Lord, how can "Professional" teams be so bad week after week. There has been talk about New England going undefeated this season, with six of their games being within the division it shouldnt be that tough.
I watched a college team play last week, the Missouri Tigers. I believe that if they were allowed to play in the AFC East they would probably finish above half the teams in that division.

Edited to add - Come to think of it, there are a couple of college teams that could compete in the NFL.

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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are way too many divisions now. Someday there will be a 6-10 division winner going to the Superbowl.
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  • stitzenstitzen Posts: 1,771


    << <i>image How pathetic is that division, Miami hasnt won a game and it doesnt look like they will. And the only game Buffalo has won was against the Jets. (One of them had to win). Good Lord, how can "Professional" teams be so bad week after week. There has been talk about New England going undefeated this season, with six of their games being within the division it shouldnt be that tough.
    I watched a college team play last week, the Missouri Tigers. I believe that if they were allowed to play in the AFC East they would probably finish above half the teams in that division.

    Edited to add - Come to think of it, there are a couple of college teams that could compete in the NFL. >>



    First, you can't be serious about any college team playing in and beating any NFL team, no matter how bad they are. A great NCAA team may have a handful of NFL players, whereas every NFL team has the best of the best of these players.

    Secondly, teams go through cycles all the time...they go from great to terrible then back again. Anyone remember Buffalo going to four straight super bowls? Miami and the Jets have had winning years as well.

    Just because teams are down now doesn't mean they will always be down - conversely, the Patriots, too, will sink back to the realm of the mortals.
  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 987
    There is no doubt in my mind that there are college teams that could win games in head to head competition with "professional" teams. The only reason that the Super Bowl isnt the best college team against the best "pro" team is the fear that the college team might win. Think about it. If the college team wins the Super Bowl, how does the NFL justify those ridiculous salaries?
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Scavenger, you are out of your mind if you think that the BEST college team could even beat the 2nd stringers of the worst NFL team. Way too big and way too fast to deal with. >>




    I agree, even the most elite college teams have potentially 5-10 players that get drafted and half of that number are lucky to make it through training camp.
  • thegemmintmanthegemmintman Posts: 3,101 ✭✭
    Maybe the best college team could beat the worst NFL team 1 out of 10 times. Maybe given the right conditions. Maybe image
  • gfbgfb Posts: 477
    you mean they haven't already?
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  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 987
    It can and has been done. They used to play the college allstars against the best pro team every year as a charity event in Chicago. The first game ever played ended up as a tie 0-0. In 1963 the college allstars defeated Vince Lombardi's Green Bay Packers 20-17. Yes the professional teams won most of the time but it shows that it could happen.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It can and has been done. They used to play the college allstars against the best pro team every year as a charity event in Chicago. The first game ever played ended up as a tie 0-0. In 1963 the college allstars defeated Vince Lombardi's Green Bay Packers 20-17. Yes the professional teams won most of the time but it shows that it could happen. >>




    Key phrase here- "College All-Stars" Now your talking about taking the BEST player/s out of the entire NCAA pool of teams- That is different than saying the best team, say USC or LSU could beat the worst NFL team. Yes I believe that could happen maybe 2 or 3 times out of 10.
  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 987
    I did switch horses in the middle of the stream with that allstar talk. But I still say that some of these college teams, (not an allstar team), could beat some of the pro teams. I'll even go a step farther and say that a college allstar team today would embarrass some of the pro teams.
  • AhmanfanAhmanfan Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭✭
    USC or LSU would get absolutely S**T ON by any NFL team. The best 2-3 players on the college team might hold their own, but everyone else would get absolutely decimated. It's not really even an argument. I go to the university of Missouri, and we would lose by 60 points if we played the Bills or the Jets, and I love the Tigers.
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  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 987
    Ahmanfan, you brought up a good point about the players actually having jobs in 1963. What are your feelings on the college allstars playing a pro team? A little different perspective?

    Edited to add- Missouri lose by 60 points to the Bills or Jets? You know that is a ridiculous statement because neither the Bills or Jets are capable of scoring 60 points in any game. image
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I did switch horses in the middle of the stream with that allstar talk. But I still say that some of these college teams, (not an allstar team), could beat some of the pro teams. I'll even go a step farther and say that a college allstar team today would embarrass some of the pro teams. >>



    Well then I have to say I disagree with you then. There is ZERO chance any college team could beat any NFL squad, it would be a slaughter.
  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 987
    Yes, and the Titanic was unsinkable. Remember?
  • stitzenstitzen Posts: 1,771


    << <i>Yes, and the Titanic was unsinkable. Remember? >>



    What does one have to do with the other?

    You are delusional to think that LSU or USC would have any chance at beating any pro team.

    And if you want to do an all star team for college, let's do an all star team for the pros - who wins now?

    You know the answer, it's starts with 'p' and ends in 'ro'.

  • HoopsterHoopster Posts: 1,169
    Didn't Rizzo lead the juvenile inmates from the Wilkinson home for boys to victory over the adult guards led by Nokes, Addison, Styler, and Ferguson?image
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    The 2001 Hurricanes had a pretty sick roster.

    What?

    I'm just sayin'

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In today's game of professional football, a college all star team would beat the worst NFL team 0 out of 10 times....and it's not even close.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    I bet the best of the best college all-stars could beat the worst NFL practice squad at least once in 10 tries.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 987
    stown, is the only one thats not living in a fantasy land. What makes everyone think that the pro teams are so untouchable. On any given Sunday you can see a dropped pass that you could have caught yourself, the same offensive player jump offsides multiple times throughout the gameimage or a running back go out of bounds when they're trying to kill the clock. Also, I keep seeing LSU and USC as comparables against the pro teams. USF would beat either one of those teams and no one has even mentioned them.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How many college all stars get drafted and then get cut and never even play in the NFL? Not many but a few. Now, how many college all stars actually start in their first season in the NFL? Some but not many. Now how many college all stars start and make an impact in the NFL games their first season? Definitely not many.

    It's crystal clear to me...In today's game of professional football, a college all star team would beat the worst NFL team 0 out of 10 times....and it's not even close.
  • HoopsterHoopster Posts: 1,169
    It can happen in baseball, and it does in spring training. But that is baseball where talent needs many games to show its true colors.

    The sheer importance of size and strength needed to succeed in the NFL negates a lot of the chance or luck that may occur. It is on the line play where the dominance would show most. Win the line, win the game.
  • stitzenstitzen Posts: 1,771


    << <i>. Also, I keep seeing LSU and USC as comparables against the pro teams. USF would beat either one of those teams and no one has even mentioned them. >>




    haha Thanks for the laugh bub.

    Back to the topic at hand, there's no chance no way no how that any college team would sniff any pro team by 30 points, if not more.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How about this? Take this years draft class and make a team- Do you think they could beat the worst team in the league? I certainly dont.
  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 987
    To say that the best college team would not win one game out of ten against the worst professional team is an assinine statement and anyone who really believes that is very naive. In general college players are faster, every bit as strong and most important they play every down. Once these "pro" atheletes get the big contracts they dont give a crap about the team record they've got their money - sad but true. Watch a college game this week and see how much more exiciting it is than a pro game.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's just no way on earth that even the best college team could compete with any NFL team. Even the best college teams have only a couple of players who go on to an NFL career, so there would be so many mismatches that a rout would be inevitable. And even the very best of the best college players often have a tough time adapting to the speed and size of the NFL game. The score would be at least 42-7 by halftime.


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  • stitzenstitzen Posts: 1,771


    << <i>To say that the best college team would not win one game out of ten against the worst professional team is an assinine statement and anyone who really believes that is very naive. In general college players are faster, every bit as strong and most important they play every down. Once these "pro" atheletes get the big contracts they dont give a crap about the team record they've got their money - sad but true. Watch a college game this week and see how much more exiciting it is than a pro game. >>



    You are confusing your enthusiasm for the college game with better athletes than the pro level. College athletes matched against other college athletes is a good test, but putting those same kids on the field with NFL vets, guys who have been in the league 5, 10, 15 years, with tons more strength and knowledge of the game? It wouldn't even be close.

    If it's true that college players are faster, and every bit as strong than pro players, then every single one of them would be drafted, wouldn't they?

    It's apparent there is no reasoning with you, as you have this stance that pro football athletes somehow don't 'give a crap' about the team. I'm assuming you'd say that with a straight face to the likes of Peyton Manning, or any of the hundreds of pro ball players who work all year long to be in the best possible shape?

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>To say that the best college team would not win one game out of ten against the worst professional team is an assinine statement and anyone who really believes that is very naive. In general college players are faster, every bit as strong and most important they play every down. Once these "pro" atheletes get the big contracts they dont give a crap about the team record they've got their money - sad but true. Watch a college game this week and see how much more exiciting it is than a pro game. >>



    Pathetic Post Of The Day.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>To say that the best college team would not win one game out of ten against the worst professional team is an assinine statement and anyone who really believes that is very naive. In general college players are faster, every bit as strong and most important they play every down. Once these "pro" atheletes get the big contracts they dont give a crap about the team record they've got their money - sad but true. Watch a college game this week and see how much more exiciting it is than a pro game. >>



    Pathetic Post Of The Day. >>




    I dont see any way of reasoning with this guy, I give it the most pathetic post of the year.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>To say that the best college team would not win one game out of ten against the worst professional team is an assinine statement and anyone who really believes that is very naive. In general college players are faster, every bit as strong and most important they play every down. Once these "pro" atheletes get the big contracts they dont give a crap about the team record they've got their money - sad but true. Watch a college game this week and see how much more exiciting it is than a pro game. >>



    Pathetic Post Of The Day. >>




    I dont see any way of reasoning with this guy, I give it the most pathetic post of the year. >>



    LOL

    Bottom line - if you want to make an argument at least use correct facts....and then if wanting to draw a different conclusion on especially a hypothetical situation which will never be answered then that's just entertaining sports talk....sort of like would the 2007 Phillies beat the 1927 Yankees? I say "Yes" the 2007 Phillies would beat the 1927 Yankees! image

    But seriously, college players of course are not faster than NFL players, and of course college players are not as strong as NFL players, and of course almost all college players do not even play every down and it wouldn't matter even if they did - his facts are rediculously and obviously incorrect. LOL

    You're right - this could be the PPOTY LOL

    Of course he's got a lot of competition here for PPOTY honors with some of Stalin's posts. image
  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 987
    Trindon Holliday - Louisiana State University runs the 100 meter dash in 10.02 seconds

    Jacoby Ford - Clemson is pretty quick also at 10.23 in the 100 meter dash

    stevek, who's the fastest NFL player that you can list who's currently playing and of course well need a source of course.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Trindon Holliday - Louisiana State University runs the 100 meter dash in 10.02 seconds

    Jacoby Ford - Clemson is pretty quick also at 10.23 in the 100 meter dash

    stevek, who's the fastest NFL player that you can list who's currently playing and of course well need a source of course. >>




    They are SUPER fast! Even LIGHTNING fast! BUT..... Can they run routes in the NFL? Can they work their way through complex defensive schemes? Could The best college lineman give the best college QB enough time to get them the ball? You can have all world speed but it does not make you a complete package!
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Trindon Holliday - Louisiana State University runs the 100 meter dash in 10.02 seconds

    Jacoby Ford - Clemson is pretty quick also at 10.23 in the 100 meter dash

    stevek, who's the fastest NFL player that you can list who's currently playing and of course well need a source of course. >>



    It's FOOTBALL speed that matters not speed on a track field! My gosh are you going for PPOT...decade - LOL! Anyone can watch a typical college football game and a typical NFL football game and notice that the speed of the NFL game is noticably faster. And every rookie NFL player always says that the speed of the NFL game is faster - the drafted college players have to adjust to that or they get themselves cut.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image Im sorry but I have to laugh at the thought of this discussion going back and forth like this! image
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image Im sorry but I have to laugh at the thought of this discussion going back and forth like this! image >>



    You're right - that's it for me - might as well argue with the wall. image
  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 987
    Couldnt find anyone faster in the NFL this year could you. imageimageimageimageimageimageimage
  • dirtmonkeydirtmonkey Posts: 3,048 ✭✭
    There have been world class sprinters who have tried out for and even played in the NFL. Most didn't last long though, because their feet were fast but their hands were made of stone.
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  • AhmanfanAhmanfan Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭✭
    if you think a college team can beat a NFL team, do you think a high school team could beat a college team? again, of course not, it's a whole different level, nearly every player in college is better than the very best high school player.
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  • AhmanfanAhmanfan Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭✭
    I don't think scavanger knows anything about sports. his avatar is a coin, after all.
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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't think scavanger knows anything about sports. his avatar is a coin, after all. >>



    :sigh: Very good point.
  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 987
    Okay I changed my avatar, now I'm an authority on the topic just like you.imageimageimageimageimageimage

    The logic, or lack of it around here is hilarious
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Okay I changed my avatar, now I'm an authority on the topic just like you.imageimageimageimageimageimage

    The logic, or lack of it around here is hilarious >>






    image You are a funny guy! Thank You for the laughs! image
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There have been world class sprinters who have tried out for and even played in the NFL. Most didn't last long though, because their feet were fast but their hands were made of stone.

    I still remember the Renaldo Nehemiah experiment back in the '80s, LOL!


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  • GootGoot Posts: 3,496


    << <i>The 2001 Hurricanes had a pretty sick roster.

    What?

    I'm just sayin'

    image >>



    Having numerous U fans as friends, that team is all I ever hear about. Here are some notable players.

    Najeh Davenport ,Andre Johnson,Antrel Rolle,Mike Rumph,Ken Dorsey,Ed Reed ,Kelly Jennings,Sean Taylor,Clinton Portis,Phillip Buchanon,Frank Gore,Jarrett Payton,Jonathon Vilma,Kellen Winslow,Roscoe Parrish,Kevin Everett ,Shockey and I'm sure I'm missing more.

    How stacked is that secondary and backfield? Reed,Rolle,Taylor, Buchanon in the Secondary is practically a pro bowl line up.
    Backfield of Davenport, Portis, Gore, Payton (not much in NFL but come on he's the son of Sweetness)
  • LeiascardsLeiascards Posts: 3,233
    Its like comparing Apples to Oranges. Just because a Player is a great college player does not mean he will be a good pro and vice versa. Look at Terrell Davis and Tom Brady to name a few.

    How many College first rounders have failed to become great NFL players?

    In High School a NFL caliber player may see one other such player in a season, in college that goes up to a couple a week in the NFL they face these players EVERY week. Even the worst player in the NFL was probaly the most dominate player on his High School team.

    Even the Bengals passing defense would look great against a college team. Green Bays running game would run over any college team. Phillys Offensive line would push the best defensive lines around the field. There is no real comparison.
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