How do you crack open a graded card in order to resubmit it....

pswebauctions

I feel the pain of those who believe the grading has gotten tougher lately. I got a bunch of cards back from the June special that were IMO were about a grade too low. In some of the threads I see that people talk about cracking open PSA and other companies (BGS, SGC, etc.) graded cards and then resubmitting the "raw" card back to PSA in the see if it will grade higher. I am hoping the people who do this can answer some questions.

a.) How do you crack open a graded PSA card and prevent damage to the card in the process?
b.) Doesn't cracking open a PSA card mess up the population reports? I would think so.
c.) Do you notify PSA at any point to let them know that cert number xxxxxx was destroyed so the population report is updated?

Thanks in advance for any insight.

Griffins

A. SGC and PSA holders are very easy to crack. Put a thin bladed screwdriver in between the seams and twist. Do the same all around the holder, and then pry it apart.

B. Yes, it does mess up the pop reports, but everyone else has a 10 year head start on you. Use the pop reports as a rough guide, rather than absolute gospel.

C. In theory yes, but I've heard the pop reports are often never adjusted.

ElectricPrune

Has anyone ever sent back the info field to PSA and noticed a drop in the card's population for that grade?

milbroco

First I score all four sides of the case several times with a small screwdriver. Then I use it to work on a spot to the upper right side where the label is and work the screwdriver in. After I can get the screwdriver in slightly, I just slide it down seperating the two halves and do all four sides. Then just lift off the top.

This does throw off the pop report................but does it really matter when you pop out a 5 or a 6? It would be more important to the pop report if you pop out a 9.

Good luck,
Bob

djspann

For those of us that collect primarily 5's and 6's, it's still be nice to have those numbers accurately represented. Whether they are or not is debatable.


Doug

Griffins

I think that by this time the pop reports, especially in mid grades, are so far off they really can't be used as anything other than a rough guide. You can tell relatively what is a tougher card, but not how many are out there. Perhaps a more accurate representation is the set registry, keeping in mind a large % of cards never make it on there- especially in mid grade.

Cardman222001

I read an article where Orlando was interviewed and he stated that if a card has been graded 100 times per the population report that means that that is the maximum amount of possible individual cards graded. Meaning that it could be 70 total cards out there with 30 being graded twice by cracking and reslabbing. BVG was a pain to bust.

digicat

When I was tracking pop reports for 1985 Topps Football a while back, I did notice a pop change.

A particular card went from 2 nines and 0 tens to 1 nine and 1 ten. Someone got a bump.

pswebauctions

Interesting info. Thanks guys. A follow-up question - Does anyone crack open 7 and 8's - especially the modern stuff to get 9's and 10's since 9's and 10's appear to be the only thing that is worth anything?

bifff257

<< <i>Doesn't cracking open a PSA card mess up the population reports? I would think so >>



YEP,


As the other have said use it as a rough guide only.... I would think that the PSA 10 POP report would be the only accurate one.

fandango

ask lawnmowerman about cracking BGS/SGC/GAI, he is an expert....

mikeschmidt

<< <i>Interesting info. Thanks guys. A follow-up question - Does anyone crack open 7 and 8's - especially the modern stuff to get 9's and 10's since 9's and 10's appear to be the only thing that is worth anything? >>



Depends on what you're talking about. With 1950s cards -- sometimes the multiplier from a 7 to an 8 can be worth 100x if not more. 1955 Bowman Eddie Robinson would be one example of a card that would have a huge increase from PSA 7 to PSA 8.

mbothner

PSA cases come apart way too easy. Sometimes with no damage to the case. I have always worried that someone would switch cards and neatly reseal the case. I wish PSA would use a case that would not come apart so easily.

Fuzz

I have submitted a number of 66 T FB over that were high end 8's. A typical multiplier on a common between 8's and 9's is 15X to 20X. Don't have to be right too often.
Fuzz