1921 MS65 SAINT sells for over $1 million!! This is new ground!
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Goldberg sold this amazing coin last night. Hammer price was $890,000. This coin "emerged" raw about a year ago...exactly where it came from I don't know, but I do know that it immediately slabbed MS65 and it's strong at that!
This is in fact, the premier date of Saints. Everyone talks about the 1927-D as the big Kahuna, but there are twice as many GEM grades than the 1921. The '21 has about 50<MS61 coins, but in MS65 or better it's a tougher coin. All it takes to get a 27-D is $$. They trade every year.
A few other key dates brought up money after a year of soft prices in better-date Saints. An MS64 1920-S sold for 145K...20K over the last sale
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It appeared that old gold was hotly contested! Many coins drew 20-30-40 bids, although I found it funny to see the 1921 being bid up in $1000 increments. There was a $5 1809/8 est. MS60 that was estimated at ~4K and sold for 26K hammer! It looked like a 62/63 to me.
I would venture to say that there's a beginning of life coming back into the dormant Saint market. That's cool. Some people bought very rare stuff during the sleeper days.
This is in fact, the premier date of Saints. Everyone talks about the 1927-D as the big Kahuna, but there are twice as many GEM grades than the 1921. The '21 has about 50<MS61 coins, but in MS65 or better it's a tougher coin. All it takes to get a 27-D is $$. They trade every year.
A few other key dates brought up money after a year of soft prices in better-date Saints. An MS64 1920-S sold for 145K...20K over the last sale
.It appeared that old gold was hotly contested! Many coins drew 20-30-40 bids, although I found it funny to see the 1921 being bid up in $1000 increments. There was a $5 1809/8 est. MS60 that was estimated at ~4K and sold for 26K hammer! It looked like a 62/63 to me.
I would venture to say that there's a beginning of life coming back into the dormant Saint market. That's cool. Some people bought very rare stuff during the sleeper days.
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So, is the '21 mentioned dripping with Syrup today??
Where's the link?
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
be thrown in. maybe the original land too.
The deep pocket stock traders will drive the Saint market for a while IMHO.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
<< <i>I'm all a-twitter over slabbed MS^% Aints.
Twitter your frustrated ass!
The coin was spectacular! I saw it and I'd grade it a 65.8!
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<< <i>I'm all a-twitter over slabbed MS^% Aints.
Twitter your frustrated ass!
The coin was spectacular! I saw it and I'd grade it a 65.8! >>
Those of us with a more critical eye graded it a 65.6.
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<< <i>I'm all a-twitter over slabbed MS^% Aints.
Twitter your frustrated ass!
The coin was spectacular! I saw it and I'd grade it a 65.8! >>
Those of us with a more critical eye graded it a 65.6.
All you know is Iraq.
And yep!! 1921 is the real King.
<< <i>This is in fact, the premier date of Saints. >>
I thought that was the 1933?
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<< <i>This is in fact, the premier date of Saints. >>
I thought that was the 1933? >>
I thought the 1927-D was a better date than the 1921.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Many collectors consider the 1921 equal or more interesting thatn the 27-D.
<< <i>This is in fact, the premier date of Saints. Everyone talks about the 1927-D as the big Kahuna, but there are twice as many GEM grades than the 1921. The '21 has about 50<MS61 coins, but in MS65 or better it's a tougher coin. All it takes to get a 27-D is $$. They trade every year. >>
This is good info...but I would not be thrilled with the idea of paying that kind of money for a "conditional rarity". The Coinfacts website states that most appear to have been melted. I wonder how many examples exist in all grades.
<< <i>This is good info...but I would not be thrilled with the idea of paying that kind of money for a "conditional rarity". >>
You kidding?
PCGS has graded only 91 total, including 3 65s and 1 66.
Who is John Galt?
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<< <i>This is good info...but I would not be thrilled with the idea of paying that kind of money for a "conditional rarity". >>
You kidding?
PCGS has graded only 91 total, including 3 65s and 1 66. >>
Compare that to the pop1/0 1873-CC seated dollar in MS65. PCGS price guide is only $600k [lol!], and there's only one or two true uncs for the date and many less specimens exist in all grades.
Even key date Saints aren't really that rare when you compare them to many series.
beat me to it. i feel that was a ton of money for that coin. must
be a bragging right type situation.
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<< <i>This is good info...but I would not be thrilled with the idea of paying that kind of money for a "conditional rarity". >>
You kidding?
PCGS has graded only 91 total, including 3 65s and 1 66. >>
Compare that to the pop1/0 1873-CC seated dollar in MS65. PCGS price guide is only $600k [lol!], and there's only one or two true uncs for the date and many less specimens exist in all grades.
Even key date Saints aren't really that rare when you compare them to many series. >>
A million ain't what it used to be.
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<< <i>This is good info...but I would not be thrilled with the idea of paying that kind of money for a "conditional rarity". >>
You kidding?
PCGS has graded only 91 total, including 3 65s and 1 66. >>
Compare that to the pop1/0 1873-CC seated dollar in MS65. PCGS price guide is only $600k [lol!], and there's only one or two true uncs for the date and many less specimens exist in all grades.
Even key date Saints aren't really that rare when you compare them to many series. >>
Again with the tiny titty, Dateline Predator coins.
You need some dimension, Dopey.
Oh....condition rarity? I don't think so. There are 4 GEM coins. That's IT.
Look at the under-rated 1920-S. Only 81 graded vs. 91 1921's. And grossly exaggerated POPs in MS 62/63/64, I'd guess by at least 33%. That's a date I'd bet on anyday.
Another way of looking at that comparison is that the 1921 is grossly overrated.
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Again with the tiny titty, Dateline Predator coins.
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Now that's funny.
<< <i>Look at the under-rated 1920-S. Only 81 graded vs. 91 1921's. And grossly exaggerated POPs in MS 62/63/64, I'd guess by at least 33%. That's a date I'd bet on anyday.
Another way of looking at that comparison is that the 1921 is grossly overrated.
Same can be said for some female coin dealers.
My ex 1867-s 25c in gem was the only gem known. Maybe half a dozen uncs. Another 150 or so coins in all grades.
You could buy the entire existing population for under a Mill. Many better seated dates are similar. There are no
possible bank hoards waiting to come out. But.........LONG series, very hard, not a legit completeable set in UNC.
roadrunner
<< <i><< This is good info...but I would not be thrilled with the idea of paying that kind of money for a "conditional rarity". >> >>
<< <i>You kidding? >>
<< <i>PCGS has graded only 91 total, including 3 65s and 1 66. >> >>
<< <i>Compare that to the pop1/0 1873-CC seated dollar in MS65. PCGS price guide is only $600k [lol!], and there's only one or two true uncs for the date and many less specimens exist in all grades. >>
Hmmm. PCGS has graded 161 1873-CC Trade Dollars versus 91 1921 Saints.
Who is John Galt?
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<< <i><< This is good info...but I would not be thrilled with the idea of paying that kind of money for a "conditional rarity". >> >>
<< <i>You kidding? >>
<< <i>PCGS has graded only 91 total, including 3 65s and 1 66. >> >>
<< <i>Compare that to the pop1/0 1873-CC seated dollar in MS65. PCGS price guide is only $600k [lol!], and there's only one or two true uncs for the date and many less specimens exist in all grades. >>
Hmmm. PCGS has graded 161 1873-CC Trade Dollars versus 91 1921 Saints. >>
Don't ever take anything that Dippeddollarnut says to be true.
Hell, the LESS expensive 1920-S Saint only has 81 coins graded.
<< <i>That's ok - there aren't 161 1873-CC seated dollars either. >>
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>That's ok - there aren't 161 1873-CC seated dollars either. >>
add Smalleagle to the list of innacurate misleaders.
The 1921 date in numismatics is an awesome date. In USA, Canada and many other countries in the world. It was the year in which the economy was at a near standstill in the aftermath of the close of WW1 and the worldwide flu pandemic.
Sure, there are other rarer coins but the 1921 date in nearly all denominations is overall rarest and also favorite of numerous collections hence the greater demand.
It is the demand that drives the prices more than the supply.
Why do you think my user name is oreville21 on ebay?
After WWI raw material prices were so high that inflation caused a severe recession in 1919-1921.
The FEDS were very reluctant to release fresh $$ into the system, especially higher denominations.
Link to discussion of great 1921 rarities
Also the US Mint was a bit preoccupied with producing large amounts of 1921 Morgan and Peace silver dollars at the exclusion of nearly everything else.
Here is an excerpt from my other thread. In short, it is the FAME of the date that helps drive the demand of the 1921 Saint.
<< <i> Here are the 1921 rarities:
1921-P 50c 246,000 2nd rarest walker
1921-D 50c 208,000 1st rarest walker
1921-S 50c 548,000 5th rarest walker
(3 out of the 5 rarest walkers in one year sound pretty rare to me)
Also note that the 1921 year is the rarest year by date of the entire walking liberty half series
Also note that the 1921 dated half is the rarest year by date of the entire 20th century!
1921-P 25c 1,916,000 11th rarest standing liberty quarter but the 2nd rarest P mint quarter after the very rare 1916 sl quarter
1921-D 25c -0-
1921-S 25c -0-
Also note that the 1921 year is the second rarest year by date after the 1916 sl quarter when combining all mints.
Also note that the 1921 dated quarter is the rarest year by date of the entire 20th century!
1921-P 10c 1,230,000 3rd rarest mercury dime
1921-D 10c 1,080,000 2nd rarest mercury dime
1921-S 10c -0-
Also note that the 1921 year is the rarest year by date of the entire mercury dime series.
Also note that the 1921 dated dime is the rarest year by date of the entire 20th century!
The Canadian 1921 silver coins are also incredibly rare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
Of course, I was not even focusing on some of the rare 1921 GOLD issues.
There's ONLY one! The Saint.
The government stopped making gold coins after 1916 because the war drove the price of gold up. They resumed in 1920...the 20-S' in $10/$20 are also ridiculously rare. And that's another great date for many smaller demonated coins as well.
WWI was great for coin collectors 90 years later.