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When is a "Market Maker" not a Market Maker??

keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
If a dealer claims to be a Market Maker, would you expext that dealer to have some type of obligation to make a reasonable offer when items are offered?? When a dealer claims to be a Market Maker, would you expect that dealer to buy/sell both raw and certified examples, or just certified?? If a dealer only wants to buy certified examples of their "Market Niche" and shuns all offers of raw coins, are they really a Market Maker?? When a Market Maker accepts offers to buy, shouldn't they have some idea what the going Market value of an item offered to them is??

When is a "Market Maker" just a dealer trying to skim off the cream with hype and not really a Market Maker at all??

Al H.

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,599 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Market= Buyer+Seller
    Maker= Manufacturer
    Market Maker= Advertising Manufacturer's Goods+Seller-Buyer
    Buyer=Market+Seller+Manufacturer's Goods+Hype

    Is this a Math problem, Al ?
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A lot of people assume dealers who advertise both a buy and sell are market makers
    but this isn't always true. Some dealers simply use a different grading standarsd when
    buying than when selling meaning their spreads can be much larger than is apparent.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Al, I take it you have someone in mind....? image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,599 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I tried to put WalMart in the place of "market maker" with my first response.

    They sell goods, they advertise goods. They pay people to ring them up.
    They accept returns with a full refund. They pay people to ring that up, too.

    If the line at the return counter is greater than the cash register line for a prolonged period, the store would close. I'm trying to find the right answer, but I don't have an abacus.
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    A true market maker should do buys and sells in their area of expertise. This should encompass raw coins, raw-slabbed coins, sticker-slabbed coins.
    Always took candy from strangers
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,599 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With all due respect Mr Longacre...
    Now we are talking about bifurcation of the market.
    Like which department are you shopping in within the WHOLE store ?
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> sticker-slabbed coins. >>



    Do these exist?
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Al, I take it you have someone in mind....?
    yes, i do indeed have a certain dealer in mind.

    Is this a Math problem, Al ?
    no Math involved, Joe, but to ease your response to the questions just cut and paste them from below and answer remembering that we're not talking about WalMart or any other department store, we're talking about a Coin Dealer who claims to be a "Market Maker" in a specific area of Numismatics.

    1. If a dealer claims to be a Market Maker, would you expext that dealer to have some type of obligation to make a reasonable offer when items are offered??
    2. When a dealer claims to be a Market Maker, would you expect that dealer to buy/sell both raw and certified examples, or just certified??
    3. If a dealer only wants to buy certified examples of their "Market Niche" and shuns all offers of raw coins, are they really a Market Maker??
    4. When a Market Maker accepts offers to buy, shouldn't they have some idea what the going Market value of an item offered to them is??
    5. When is a "Market Maker" just a dealer trying to skim off the cream with hype and not really a Market Maker at all??



  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭✭
    Market makers in the coin hobby are a rare breed indeed.

    Perhaps people who make buy/sell spreads in proof sets would fall into this catagory.

    Also, there are a few large coin dealers that make buy sell spreads in generic gold coins (and raw generic gold too...).

    Other than that, I can't think of any catagories where it has been practiced successfully on an ongoing basis. Can anyone else?


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    3. If a dealer only wants to buy certified examples of their "Market Niche" and shuns all offers of raw coins, are they really a Market Maker??
    >>


    I think that's a key question..Keets.For a market maker to be a "market maker" one should be aware of other aspects of the industry or hobby around oneself.
    ......Larry........image
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    My first thought on this...

    For some niche item (lets say a speared bison or something like that) it might seem one dealer could be a market maker if he sells them and is willing to buy them at some stated buy price.

    But if the niche item only has one (or a few) dealers that makes the market maybe it's not a real market because next week they might stop buying them then there's no more 2 way market.

    So the answer I'm thinking about is if the dealer base for the item is too limited then it's not a reliable market. To be a reliable market there needs to be a base of dealers or buyers that will buy the niche item.


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    Ed

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