I really don't want to do this.......

DoubleEagle59

But, don't you think this coin should have been bodybagged?

I feel I may get raked over the coals here, but the first time I saw this coin, I did think 'why do other coins with less hairlines (cleaning?) get bodybagged and this one does not?'

OK everyone...let me have it.

TwoSides2aCoin

What is it you don't want to do ? It's okay... Think of a smudge on the Mona Lisa.
How many more Mona Lisas are there ?
Think of a 1913 Nickel .. .How many of them are there ? (not the buffaloes)

This coin is in that same class.

morgansforever

I don't get BB's. They will grade a coin PO01, but won't grade an AU coin because of a scratch.

By the way I like that half. I'll guess high AU? Stars seem to be full, not smushed.

NumisOxide

When you're dealing with such a rarity, hairlines from a light cleaning are overlooked.

1838-O

nankraut

IMHO, Rarity should not be considered when grading. If a coin has obviously been cleaned (like this one obviously has) it should be BB'd. After all, consistency should be the the key in coin grading decisions.

tjkillian

<< <i>I don't get BB's. They will grade a coin PO01, but won't grade an AU coin because of a scratch. By the way I like that half. I'll guess high AU? Stars seem to be full, not smushed. >>




Yes, it is a FULL strike as it is a Branch Mint PROOF!

Very cool coin.

droopyd

<< <i>IMHO, Rarity should not be considered when grading. If a coin has obviously been cleaned (like this one obviously has) it should be BB'd. After all, consistency should be the the key in coin grading decisions. >>

garsmith

Carry her as a pocket piece for a while to lighten the harsh cleaning marks than get her graded!

TwoSides2aCoin

<< <i>Carry her as a pocket piece for a while to lighten the harsh cleaning marks than get her graded! >>



If I could get that in my pocket, nobody would ever see a photo of it I can only thank rareCanadian for sharing the wealth with the photo.

I remember when I first came here and asked about a 1916 DDO Buffalo and Lloydmincy posted it. I've seen great coins here. I hope that never stops. No matter which way the threads turn, it's about the coins.

TomB

Hairlines are quite common on nineteenth century proof coinage and do not necessarily mean the coin was cleaned. It is my opinion that a large percentage of those nineteenth century proof pieces that NGC and PCGS grade in the PF60-62 range are graded there because of significant hairlines. I don't know if the coin has been lightly cleaned, but it certainly has many hairlines.

MrEureka

First, the OP shows a clear misunderstanding with respect to what is and is not normally "bodybagged". Many, many hairlined coins get graded, especially proofs. IMHO, there is nothing wrong with this.

Second, the photo of the coin shows nowhere near as many hairlines as it would take to merit a bodybag.

And third, I've had this coin in my hands on several occasions, and it looks at least as good in hand as in the photo. (It's darker, but the marks are less pronounced.)

GoldenEyeNumismatics

<< <i>First, the OP shows a clear misunderstanding with respect to what is and is not normally "bodybagged". Many, many hairlined coins get graded, especially proofs. IMHO, there is nothing wrong with this.

Second, the photo of the coin shows nowhere near as many hairlines as it would take to merit a bodybag.

And third, I've had this coin in my hands on several occasions, and it looks at least as good in hand as in the photo. (It's darker, but the marks are less pronounced.) >>

CappedBustDimes

<< <i>I don't get BB's. They will grade a coin PO01, but won't grade an AU coin because of a scratch.

By the way I like that half. I'll guess high AU? Stars seem to be full, not smushed. >>




this particular coin has been the topic of several recent threads since it has been acquired and rightfully so. yet, i am always amazed at the number of members who view this true rarity as ''just another dipped/cleaned bust half with hairlines'' i just hope they find coinJP's link.

jpo1965

YUM.BEUTIFUL. Thanks for showing this coin.I am amazed

MidLifeCrisis

I have to side with TomB and MrEureka in this debate. Maybe the coin was cleaned...maybe it wasn't. This is a matter of opinion that probably can't be proven either way.

If I had the opportunity to own such a rarity I sure wouldn't care.

And a coin of this rarity would have to be in a lot worse shape before I would expect it to be bodybagged.

PrivateCoinCollector

Regardless. That coin would not have made it in a slab if it was not a rarity. I would just like to know where the line is. Maybe when you pay the ultra-rarity fees? I am not sure, and I am not even saying it belongs in a body bag. A coin like that belongs in plastic, no doubt. But so do some of the ones I have got back in BB's.

BlindedByEgo

Light to moderate hairlines on proof 19th century coins are not a barrier to their being graded and encapsulated, regardless of rarity. Downgraded, yes - bodybagged, no.

DoubleEagle59

yet, i am always amazed at the number of members who view this true rarity as ''just another dipped/cleaned bust half with hairlines'' i just hope they find coinJP's link.

I strongly feel rarity and/or price should not be a factor when grading a coin. Consistency is key....period.

When I grade a diamond, it doesn't matter if the diamond is a $100.00 0.10 carat diamond or a $100,000.00 20 carat diamond. I use the same grading parameters for color, clarity and cut equally for both.

I think it should be the same for coin grading.

ColonialCoinUnion

<< <i>Regardless. That coin would not have made it in a slab if it was not a rarity. >>



Have you ever seen this coin in hand?

PrivateCoinCollector

<< <i>

<< <i>Regardless. That coin would not have made it in a slab if it was not a rarity. >>



Have you ever seen this coin in hand? >>



No, but good luck wrestling it away if I did!

19Lyds

<< <i> yet, i am always amazed at the number of members who view this true rarity as ''just another dipped/cleaned bust half with hairlines'' i just hope they find coinJP's link.

I strongly feel rarity and/or price should not be a factor when grading a coin. Consistency is key....period. >>





<< <i>Hairlines are quite common on nineteenth century proof coinage and do not necessarily mean the coin was cleaned. >>



Read it again. If you are not familiar with the series or its history, you really should not be so quick to pass judgement.

Myqqy

So, this particular example is graded what, and owned by whom?

PerryHall

<< <i> ''just another dipped/cleaned bust half with hairlines'' >>

tahoe98

<< <i>IMHO, Rarity should not be considered when grading. If a coin has obviously been cleaned (like this one obviously has) it should be BB'd. After all, consistency should be the the key in coin grading decisions. >>




ya, it's not like you're gonna get a refund or anything.