1909 Lincoln medal help? Anyone with the KING reference?

rah1959

Does anyone know or recognize the designer/sculptor of this 1909 Lincoln Centennial medal?

50mm (2 Inches), bronze....marked on reverse bottom: THE WHITEHEAD HOAG CO. Newark. Stamped on Rim BRONZE WHITEHEAD HOAG.

No names, initials or logos other than the WH manufacturer noted above.

I would be grateful for any help you can provide on the designer/sculptor.


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StrikeOutXXX

Not sure, I don't have a King Reference, but I think it's in the King 380's range, probably 383-385 range (ANS Search). I'm sure someone has a copy of Lincoln in Numismatics hanging around.

Nice medal, I think that was in a lot of 4 that recently sold?

rah1959

<< <i>Not sure, I don't have a King Reference, but I think it's in the King 380's range, probably 383-385 range (ANS Search). I'm sure someone has a copy of Lincoln in Numismatics hanging around.

Nice medal, I think that was in a lot of 4 that recently sold? >>




Thanks a ton for this info....can anyone provide further as I don't have the references mentioned.

Can I access the ANS Search?

I did recently purchase this in a group of 4...

RAH

rah1959

Ok....found the ANS search...but have found conflicting info.

King 383 matches the description....especially the sun rising on reverse with log cabin and capitol dome...however...the size listed is only 25mm and medal is looped.

My medal measure 50-51mm....and King 317 seems to match it due to size and material...however....it does not mention the rising sun....of course neither entry has photos...

Can anyone help that has the King reference?

StrikeOutXXX

I can't find a lot more. Found this talking about another Hoag medal of the same time frame, could possibly narrow down your medal:

" Most of the medals that were struck by Whitehead & Hoag were not signed by the artist. However, a great number of their unsigned medals were the work of just two talented artists, Julio Kilenyi and Jonathan M. Swanson. "

Here is a link to the ANS database, comes in handy at times.
ANS Search

rah1959

<< <i>Most of the medals that were struck by Whitehead & Hoag were not signed by the artist. However, a great number of their unsigned medals were the work of just two talented artists, Julio Kilenyi and Jonathan M. Swanson. " >>




Yes....saw this in a reference last night I found...but the style does not seem to fit either....and both went on to do some nice work..and seemed to sign everything??

Thanks for the additional help!
RAH

jonathanb

King gives separate numbers for each size. King 383 references back to King 318. King 317 and 318 say:

317. Obv., Clothed, bearded bust of Lincoln facing right. Inscription around bust, "ABRAHAM LINCOLN".
Rev., In the upper field on the left a log cabin. In the center, the rising sun ; above the rays, the dates, "1809-1865". On the right is seen the dome of the Capitol at Washington. Below the inscription, in three lines, "CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION EMANCIPATOR OF A RACE, SAVIOR OF THE UNION." Below, the date, "1909". The reverse die of this medal cracked in the center, and the medal shows the fracture. A new die had to be cut from which perfect pieces were struck. "W. & H. CO."
Gilt, white metal.
Size 51 mm.

318. Obv., Same as preceding.
Rev., Same as preceding, without die crack, and the addition in small letters, "THE WHITEHEAD & HOAG CO. NEWARK, N. J."
The New York Times originated and several other leading newspapers in the country followed in announcing to their readers that they would distribute medals as awards for competitive essays written on the Centennial of Lincoln, and from the obverse die of this piece, with suitable and different reverses, were issued other medals that were given by a number of newspapers, as will be seen by the pieces listed under "Medals of Award."
Copper, brass silvered, ead, gilded.
Size 51 mm.


Yours seems to be King 318.

rah1959

<< <i>King gives separate numbers for each size. King 383 references back to King 318. King 317 and 318 say:

317. Obv., Clothed, bearded bust of Lincoln facing right. Inscription around bust, "ABRAHAM LINCOLN".
Rev., In the upper field on the left a log cabin. In the center, the rising sun ; above the rays, the dates, "1809-1865". On the right is seen the dome of the Capitol at Washington. Below the inscription, in three lines, "CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION EMANCIPATOR OF A RACE, SAVIOR OF THE UNION." Below, the date, "1909". The reverse die of this medal cracked in the center, and the medal shows the fracture. A new die had to be cut from which perfect pieces were struck. "W. & H. CO."
Gilt, white metal.
Size 51 mm.

318. Obv., Same as preceding.
Rev., Same as preceding, without die crack, and the addition in small letters, "THE WHITEHEAD & HOAG CO. NEWARK, N. J."
The New York Times originated and several other leading newspapers in the country followed in announcing to their readers that they would distribute medals as awards for competitive essays written on the Centennial of Lincoln, and from the obverse die of this piece, with suitable and different reverses, were issued other medals that were given by a number of newspapers, as will be seen by the pieces listed under "Medals of Award."
Copper, brass silvered, ead, gilded.
Size 51 mm.


Yours seems to be King 318. >>






jonathanb !!!!!Yes!

...that is it...exactly..thank you....no reference to designer?

Thank you very much for posting this jonathanb!

jonathanb

Sorry, no reference to designer. Barring any typos on my part, that's what it says in King. King is kinda spotty in terms of its information, and it's really difficult to use with hardly any pictures, but it's the standard reference until something better comes along.

jonathan

DUIGUY

jonathanb is, DEE MAN !!

rah1959

<< <i>jonathanb is, DEE MAN !! >>



Amen to that....I am GRATEFUL for the time he took to look it up and type that post.....


I wonder if "Lincoln in Numismatics" would have addition info?

I found a copy for sale on the www...but at $125....it is out of my range.

At this point....with Jonathanb's help...I have what I need...other than the designer...which may never be known since Whitehead & Hoag used many artists that didn't sign their work.

THANKS AGAIN!!!

jonathanb

Lincoln in Numismatics *is* the King reference, fyi.
$125 seems to be about the going rate, but they turn up cheaper from time to time. I got mine for about $20

jonathan

rah1959

<< <i>Lincoln in Numismatics *is* the King reference, fyi.
$125 seems to be about the going rate, but they turn up cheaper from time to time. I got mine for about $20

jonathan >>




oops...I knew that!.....long day at work, now tired and been typing for hours totally threw my mind off in the post above..I started to go in one direction of thought...got interupted and went off into another before realizing my goof.....

In any case..thanks for looking it up.....helped a great bit!

Time for bed!
RAH

jmski52

I know nothing about sculpting or medals, but if that wasn't done by vdb, I'd be surprised.