POLL: What Should The NFL Do About Those Cheating Patriots?
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Anything else gives them a chance to be Champions and Cheaters in the same season and that isn't good.
You guys crack me up!
<< <i>WHOA WHOA WHOA! SHEEEEEESH Jealousy rears its ugly head! Lets see if in fact the Pats are guilty first and then talk about punishment, even if they are guilty dont think for a second other NFL teams wouldnt attempt to do this if they got a chance. >>
Come on, this isn't about 'jealousy', its about the Pats CHEATING.
Infinite amounts of talent and they resort to this bush league BS?
<< <i> if in fact the Pats are guilty first and then talk about punishment, >>
Perk, if they're guilty?
Read up, son. Goodell is going to throw the book at your cheat'n Pats!
Cheater Pat' Link!
Steve
<< <i>All the above, plus suspend Belicheck the rest of the season!
Steve >>
How could I forget the Mastermind Cheater! Lifetime Ban!!
Love the 'jealousy' angle some tried to pull here - moronic.
<< <i>Heard reports of as much as a second rounder.
Love the 'jealousy' angle some tried to pull here - moronic. >>
YOU are the only moron here. Try to remember that you ignorant P.O.S
Patsies are cheaters...I wonder how many other teams they've pulled this crap with. They were caught doing it against GB last year...and I am sure they've done it plenty of other times.
No wonder they had such an advantage over the Jets - they were CHEATING!!!
But perk needs to just man up and admit that his team cheated - not pull this whole 'you're just jealous!' crap.
<< <i>But perk needs to just man up and admit... >>
Pot, kettle.
a good way to do it. I agree, forfeit the game and lose all draft picks next year. What a bunch of freaking losers the patises
are! They probably have some cameras in the cheerleading locker room too..maybe even the girls room too!
JS
Baseball- I respect you and your take on this no matter if I disagree with you or not.
AX- I refuse to get involved in a tiresome verbal swordfight with you for the rest of the night. I stand by my comments about my Pats and You.
<< <i>WHOA WHOA WHOA! SHEEEEEESH Jealousy rears its ugly head! Lets see if in fact the Pats are guilty first and then talk about punishment, even if they are guilty dont think for a second other NFL teams wouldnt attempt to do this if they got a chance. >>
Just in case it is not clear here, I was kinda joking about the "jealousy" comment.
<< <i>Here we go with Kevin chiming in, the funny thing is that you could give the Bucs all of the Offensive and defensive plays of the opposing team and they would still find away to lose, Kevin please stand down... you dont have much room to be throwing stones at my Pats especially when your Team is mired in such a pathetic state the past few years. >>
Yes because an 11-5 record two years ago is 'pathetic', right?
<< <i>AX- I refuse to get involved in a tiresome verbal swordfight with you for the rest of the night. I stand by my comments about my Pats and You. >>
Yet here you are trying to run your yap...HILARIOUS. 'I won't get into a argument with you, but I'll run my mouth anyways'. You, sir, are a riot.
JS
Cheating will continue in any sport if the penalties are not stiff enuff
look at Nascar, u get caught cheating & all u get is a small fine & maybe a loss of a few points, that's why cheating continues
Maybe the Patriots coach shud get a 1 yr suspension?
not the slap on the wrist penalties
that wud send a message to all
Besides watching and taping the coaches THEY WERE LISTENING IN!!!!!
Are you frucking kidding me?
<< <i>If you dont think every team doesnt do exactly the same thing, your fools. >>
It's like Watergate. Maybe Nixon's people did what all the other politicians were doing, but it was Nixon's people who were caught and they -- from Nixon on down -- were going to be held up as an example of what happens when you're caught.
Still, "everyone else is doing it" isn't much of an excuse when you know something is wrong. Sort of like steroids in baseball, I guess, where players feel like they have to in order to "stay competitive" with everyone else.
<< <i>I don't think a playoff ban in pro sports is a good idea. Because of the draft system, a team could just purposely go 0-16 to get the top draft pick next year. They would have nothing to play for. They could even annouce that they are going to do that and most people would understand why. >>
How about playoff inelligible and loss of the #1 pick next year? Problem solved.
<< <i>How about playoff inelligible and loss of the #1 pick next year? Problem solved.
That would be really harsh. I guess if the NFL REALLY wanted to send a message like the NCAA did to SMU football a couple decades ago, I can see it...but playoff ineligibility AND loss of a #1 is awfully draconian.
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<< <i>How about playoff inelligible and loss of the #1 pick next year? Problem solved.
That would be really harsh. I guess if the NFL REALLY wanted to send a message like the NCAA did to SMU football a couple decades ago, I can see it...but playoff ineligibility AND loss of a #1 is awfully draconian. >>
Agreed -- I think a forfeit or high draft pick is about as sever they will get for this "first offense". The Pats are a huge money maker for the NFL, so they do not want to kill the golden goose. Still, as a Pats fan, this puts a HUGE damper on my enthusiasm for the team this year.
<< <i>If you dont think every team doesnt do exactly the same thing, your fools. >>
Until another team is accused of video taping, I disagree. Other teams try to steal signs, hence coaches covering their mouths when they talk. However, none that I'm aware of have actually resorted to Imax film with full surround sound to steal coaches signs. That goes far beyond anything I've heard.
It's similar to the difference in baseball between a runner at second base peaking in at the catcher's signs vs a team having a spy in the stands video taping every sign and relaying the signals to the bench. No wonder the Jets didn't touch Brady after having harrassed him over and over in last year's games.
I also like Belicheck's comment about his 'misinterpretation of the rules'. You mean you can't video tape the defensive coach's signals and steal RF audio from them? I wouldn't be surprised if they knew exactly every defensive set the Jets had before every play. I haven't checked but I also wouldn't be surprised if the Pats signed a scrub Jet player to their practice squad to find out the Jets' defensive playbook. Or maybe they stole a copy of the playbook. I think they should have to forfeit that game.
Funny thing is, Randy Moss is trying to mature and be a better player.
<< <i>If you dont think every team doesnt do exactly the same thing, your fools. >>
You're you mean....and this seems an interesting argument coming from someone who posted such hate against barry bonds.
<< <i>They probably have some cameras in the cheerleading locker room too..maybe even the girls room too! >>
Awww Joey, go back to wishing the glory days of the Bucs were back... since comments like this simply prove the fool that you are
The Pats will probably have a couple draft picks taken away.
Other things like them signing a scrub player to get an upper hand on a team... every team does it. When a team signs anyone... of course they are going to get as much info out of them as possible.
Anyways, its up to the league to decide now.
<< <i>"Everybody in this league is trying to find a way to get away with something that creates an advantage," Tampa Bay QB Jeff Garcia says. >>
Unfortunately, the Pats taped it... otherwise it would have been completely legal. Oh well, on to the leagues decision, and next weeks game
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<< <i>Other things like them signing a scrub player to get an upper hand on a team... every team does it. When a team signs anyone... of course they are going to get as much info out of them as possible.
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I agree that that is not uncommon. However, couple that with the fact they were recording the play calling and it takes it to a whole new level. If they knew all the plays and then also stole every play call, then that would mean they knew exactly what alignment the defense was using before every play.
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<< <i>AX- I refuse to get involved in a tiresome verbal swordfight with you for the rest of the night. I stand by my comments about my Pats and You. >>
Yet here you are trying to run your yap...HILARIOUS. 'I won't get into a argument with you, but I'll run my mouth anyways'. You, sir, are a riot. >>
No No No you got it wrong AX, I was going to bed instead of throwing bombs back and forth with you at this time, in this quote I simply stated my stance and that was it. I know your Game... you love to go back and forth with someone contradicting yourself and spinning things to your liking, everyone here knows it and not too many people respect you or give a rats A$$ about anything you say.
I am going to the gym for the next hour or so and then taking my Girl to a movie tonight so get your dig in while Im signed off and I will address it prolly around 1030 tonight.
<< <i>I agree that that is not uncommon. However, couple that with the fact they were recording the play calling and it takes it to a whole new level. If they knew all the plays and then also stole every play call, then that would mean they knew exactly what alignment the defense was using before every play. >>
I agree... and they will be punished... and deserve to be.
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No No No you got it wrong AX, I was going to bed instead of throwing bombs back and forth with you at this time, in this quote I simply stated my stance and that was it. I know your Game... you love to go back and forth with someone contradicting yourself and spinning things to your liking, everyone here knows it and not too many people respect you or give a rats A$$ about anything you say.
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Yet you continue to try to verbally spar with me. If you don't care about what I say, why waste your time responding? Absolutely hilarious.
Let's address the situation at hand: the patriots CHEATED, got CAUGHT, and are going to lose multiple draft picks as a result. I love it.
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No No No you got it wrong AX, I was going to bed instead of throwing bombs back and forth with you at this time, in this quote I simply stated my stance and that was it. I know your Game... you love to go back and forth with someone contradicting yourself and spinning things to your liking, everyone here knows it and not too many people respect you or give a rats A$$ about anything you say.
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Yet you continue to try to verbally spar with me. If you don't care about what I say, why waste your time responding? Absolutely hilarious.
Let's address the situation at hand: the patriots CHEATED, got CAUGHT, and are going to lose multiple draft picks as a result. I love it. >>
Well I have time to take care of this now rather than later...
First off, I have read up on this incident and I guess it is clear the Patriots are guilty, it is embaressing. We will take our medicine and move on. However we will still be a dominant force and go on a rampage through the rest of the season unlike the majority of the pathetic teams ( IE: The YUCS ) in the league.
AX- Im not trying to verbally spar with you just trying to get my point across to you that you are an ignorant fire-starter here. What I find hilarious is your never ending line of "If you dont care about what I say, why waste your time responding" thing
To everyone else, my apoligies for my Pats doing this, again its embaressing even though I dont believe it made a huge difference in the outcome of the game, I may be wrong but IMO I think we are a better team either way.
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First off, I have read up on this incident and I guess it is clear the Patriots are guilty, it is embaressing. We will take our medicine and move on. However we will still be a dominant force and go on a rampage through the rest of the season unlike the majority of the pathetic teams ( IE: The YUCS ) in the league.
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I guess it's the league that's 'jealous' of the Patriots hmm?
<< <i>AX- Im not trying to verbally spar with you just trying to get my point across to you that you are an ignorant fire-starter here. What I find hilarious is your never ending line of "If you dont care about what I say, why waste your time responding" thing
I use it because it's true. If I am indeed such a waste of your time, then why waste it responding to me? It's quite simple...stop responding if you find my posts so annoying and such a waste of time. I think your continuing to respond speaks far more about YOU than it does ME.
<< <i>To everyone else, my apoligies for my Pats doing this, again its embaressing even though I dont believe it made a huge difference in the outcome of the game, I may be wrong but IMO I think we are a better team either way. >>
If it didn't make a huge difference in the game then they wouldn't have done it. I think that multiple draft picks and a substantial monetary fine are in order. What they did is akin to the referee betting on games - directly affecting the outcome of games and the integrity of the sport! Sit the coach at least a game as well.
One thing is for certain, opposing teams will be very careful with protecting their plays and the Pats will be under a microscope for at least the next few games.
<< <i> One NY sports writer said that the game should be played over in December. >>
Yep, those NY sports writers sure are smart.
I still haven't read enough about this to comment on it, but lets face it - the Pats could play the Jets 1000 times, and the Pats would probably be 995-5. I'll give the Jets 5 wins, because the Pats would be exhausted from royally kicking their behinds over and over again. The Jets stink. Stop your whining Jets fans, and accept it.
<< <i>he Pats could play the Jets 1000 times, and the Pats would probably be 995-5. I'll give the Jets 5 wins, >>
Really? 995 times out of 1000?
I'd say 600 out of 1000 if they got to cheat every time which apparently they do.
<< <i>They already had the QB hurt as a result of the cheat game. For all we know New England listened in on that play and stunted or blitzed the right way which resulted in his getting hurt >>
I thought they were filming defensive calls??
<< <i>This is what we know: Teams in every sport often cheat in little ways to try to get a small advantage. When cheating is exposed, teams are punished. You take your punishment like a man, and you move on -- and the fans of the other teams ALSO move on. The Patriots did something wrong, but the level of the response is just ludicrous because so many fans just hate the Patriots -- not because of anything the Patriots have done, but because of the constant praise they've received from the media over the past few years. >>
Ok.. someone answer this. They were filming defensive calls. How is that giving them any advantage in the 1st half?? You would need to take the tape out, watch it and attempt to analyze it. Werent they leading at halftime?
ESPN had it best, everyone is loving it because they hate the Pats. They hate the fact that the Pats have had the best record in football over and over. They do something other teams cant... play a team game and are sucessful at it. They are hated like the way the Cowboys were hated in the 90's. So now they all have something to yap about. Yet, recent memory... didnt the Broncos go over the salary cap when they won their ring? Merriman steroids? But thats ok... this is just fueled by hate.
<< <i>I'd say 600 out of 1000 if they got to cheat every time which apparently they do. >>
Sounds like a comment comming from JS...lol
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<< <i>This is what we know: Teams in every sport often cheat in little ways to try to get a small advantage. When cheating is exposed, teams are punished. You take your punishment like a man, and you move on -- and the fans of the other teams ALSO move on. The Patriots did something wrong, but the level of the response is just ludicrous because so many fans just hate the Patriots -- not because of anything the Patriots have done, but because of the constant praise they've received from the media over the past few years. >>
Ok.. someone answer this. They were filming defensive calls. How is that giving them any advantage in the 1st half?? You would need to take the tape out, watch it and attempt to analyze it. Werent they leading at halftime?
ESPN had it best, everyone is loving it because they hate the Pats. They hate the fact that the Pats have had the best record in football over and over. They do something other teams cant... play a team game and are sucessful at it. They are hated like the way the Cowboys were hated in the 90's. So now they all have something to yap about. Yet, recent memory... didnt the Broncos go over the salary cap when they won their ring? Merriman steroids? But thats ok... this is just fueled by hate. >>
They were also apparently stealing the audio signals. So they didn't necessarily need the tape to know what the defenses were doing, though that will certainly help. We also don't know the extent of their cheating. Perhaps they had other spotters around that were stealing signals in real time.
Cheating is never justified by other cheating. So you can talk about steroids and Merriman and the 90s Cowboys and the 1919 Black Sox all you want. Regardless, the Pats superbowl championships are now under question. Particularly since they were all won by a FG. Cheating sure can make the difference in a 3 point game.
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<< <i> One NY sports writer said that the game should be played over in December. >>
Yep, those NY sports writers sure are smart.
I still haven't read enough about this to comment on it, but lets face it - the Pats could play the Jets 1000 times, and the Pats would probably be 995-5. I'll give the Jets 5 wins, because the Pats would be exhausted from royally kicking their behinds over and over again. The Jets stink. Stop your whining Jets fans, and accept it. >>
Really? The Jets beat the Pats last season and almost beat them both times. I guess they really had Belicheck worried.