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Who else likes the coin pictured on the new PCGS price guide...
DIMEMAN
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Better than that awful bullion thing that is not even a coin!
I SURE DO!!!!!!
I SURE DO!!!!!!
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DIMEMAN
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Some very nice coins pictured so far!
Been a couple so far that have taken my breath away.
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etexmike
I threw that awful August crap out before the new one even came out!
<< <i>How can a brand new piece of bullion that looks like it was designed by a 3rd grader be pretty and have value.
I threw that awful August crap out before the new one even came out! >>
Thanks, that coin on the cover is mine and happens to be the least minted US coin since 1915. Top Pop PR70DCAM. Most real collectors agree that the series with the changing reverses is absolutely beautiful and without a doubt much prettier than those crusty chunks of worthless corroded silver some collect. Talk about some real ugly coins, dimes have got to hold the top spot and even the Mint is hesitant to spend time or money redesigning it. I can say it is easy to spot the old geezers on these boards as they hold their crusted and rusted pieces of yester year above all others as though only their coins matter. Guess what fellas, they don't.
<< <i>Most real collectors agree that the series with the changing reverses is absolutely beautiful >>
I think the changing reverse are really awesome myself!
<< <i>Talk about some real ugly coins, dimes have got to hold the top spot and even the Mint is hesitant to spend time or money redesigning it. >>
This comment was just wrong!
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
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<< <i>Most real collectors agree that the series with the changing reverses is absolutely beautiful >>
I think the changing reverse are really awesome myself!
<< <i>Talk about some real ugly coins, dimes have got to hold the top spot and even the Mint is hesitant to spend time or money redesigning it. >>
This comment was just wrong!
Later, Paul. >>
Okay, I retract that since I don't really believe it anyway. I used to collect dimes as a kid. Just ticked at dimeman's comments.
As for changing the design of the dime.......it doesn't matter...... it will be butt ugly too!
WS
Bullion and their designs:
Silver ASE
Unless you live under a rock it would be impossible not to recognize the standing liberty/walkers design that the Mint chose for the obverse of the silver eagle. 21 years of production have not only produced an awesome series and beautiful coin but has represented the American spirit during some of our most challenging times.
Gold AGE
The Augustus Saint-Gaudens design that was reused with the modern gold eagle series is considered world-wide to be the most beautiful design of any US coin. The eagles reverse was designed to symbolize American family values.
Platinum PAE
I admit that the obverse was somewhat simplistic and in your face but after years of SOL collecting I have come to appreciate the simplicity. Especially when you consider that this is the only US series in which the reverse has changed (proof only until the 2006-W UNC) every year. There seems to be a message in this coin that every American can see and appreciate. We have a simple, strong and common desire that is the hallmark of the American spirit but the openness to understand the ever changing times and circumstances.
I am also excited about the various Eagle/SOL series because it is the first time in my short life that the coinage has not only a numismatic value but a intrinsic metal value as well that allows collectors to hedge their investments. Not since 1933 has this been a reality other than with silver of course.
The bottom line is that modern bullion coins are some of the most beautiful coinage ever produced by the US Mint and while very much different from traditional circulated coinage, it is both exciting and rewarding to collect so feel free to jump in fellas, the water is fine.
You may wish to check your coinage history. The Barber dime amoung others that you show so proudly were in their time considered completely lacking in artistic merit. Your views are your own.
ericj96
They still are.
Just one more year of the SOLs to go.
Griv, I wouldn't take up space in my coin cabinet with that bullion junk you pictured.
The only reason there are people going after the modern and bullion in the super high grades is because of the Registry. If the Registry were to suddenly go away the people owning that junk would be stuck, but it would have little or no impact on the classics. Most of the classic collectors aren't even in the Registry!
Don't tell me how rare this crap is on coins like the 2003-P cent in 70 when there are millions 68 or 69 worth nothing. The Registry has created a monster here and I am not the only one who thinks this. I'm just one of the few who will share my opinion!
I have a couple of gold Eagles that were recovered from the ruins of the Twin Towers following the attack on 9/11/01 and there is something to be said for the feeling that you experience holding one of those coins. So with that said I feel this forum is not the place to trade insults on what other people collect so while I respect your opinion I think your comments are inappropriate. I'm sorry you can't appreciate the modern coinage as you are missing a lot, the Mint has really started to get creative, but I also realize that when one reaches a point in life that they close their minds to tomorrow they are just hoping to live through the day.
It must suck being you.
So, back off on that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"That bullion junk Griv pictured" as you said, belongs to me. Do you randomly open your mouth; point it at somebody; and let it defecate at will? Is this a condition you suffer? I will not comment on your set as I respect your desire to do the same thing I do, collect what you like. I do ask that you do the same sir. Yes, I'll even extend my respect as to address you as "SIR".
When I look at people that randomly start threads to criticize what others like or dislike I can only ask myself: What happened to you? Were you bulied as a child?
I feel sorry for people like you; furthermore, I feel sorry for the people that have no other choice but to deal with you. Mind what you collect and have a great day!
Ben
Die hard collectors, like all of us here are, should show respect for each other. I will never criticize what you collect, nor I will start a thread to bash you; please do the same. Your actions say a lot about you, conduct yourself with pride. I fought in Bosnia for Griv's right (and yours too) to collect what he wants. It is called freedom!
I think the bottom line is that we are all collecting the things that make us happy and that's really what it's all about. I know you have strong opinions and I also respect them but I think you could be less insulting to the many collectors here that do appreciate the modern designs? Even if you don't agree I think it makes sense not to be mean. Can we at least agree on this?
It is nice to see that your coin made the cover of the magazine. It was a great article to read!
<< <i>I agree the August cover is the most boring to date. Why didn't PCGS just put an image of the label on the cover? It sounds like that is the best part. >>
No one has made that ignorant comment yet so the only person you are agreeing with is your own bigoted self and frankly no one cares what your opinion is anyway. Just another jerk that thinks insults is a way to promote their own lack of self-esteem. Almost 12,000 posts you've made and this is what you come up with. Another old geezer with his bag of corroded chips of silver, worthless to ANYONE but a hardened collector and ready to criticize coins that he does not have. The attitudes of the old farts in coin collecting is one of the MAIN reasons I abandoned classics. Too many decrepit, fat and foul old farts that treat everyone as if somehow they don't have the credentials to even discuss coins with them. You and dimeman should join justjohn and start you own thread about who has the closest mind.
No offense to the non-foul old farts.
The truth is that I initially declined the interview for the very reasons I hear, because old coin farts don't consider bullion coins as coins but after several calls I decided to go ahead. The fact is my Chaos Collection can stand toe to toe with almost ANY coin set, sporting 282 grade 70 proofs and unc gold, silver and platinum eagles and I get sick of hearing the stupid comments of criticisim from someone who has probably never even seen a grade 70 coin in their entire life.
I took my grandson to a show one time, he is 12, when he saw what they were charging for the modern coins, he asked why would you pay for coins you can get in change? I couldn't give him a good answer!
The real COINS that you could buy for what was spent for that 03 cent just makes me sick.
I don't know what your bullion coins cost and don't really care, but if is much more than spot you got took.
My only observation in this whole thread is how ugly the modern coins and bullion stuff is and that it is NOT rare.
You act like PF70 is ultra rare and should be worshiped! When in fact shouldn't coins double struck with special dies last week be in pretty good shape!
Again, I am NOT attacking you as a person or as a collector. I just don't like modern stuff because it is what it is MODERN.
If you can honestly say that you think the coins in circ now are as pretty as the seated or barber or bust or the mercs or the walking libs or the standing quarters then we will be at this forever. And we don't need that.
Dimeman - Go take a minute and read the thread on the US Coin Forum from Shylock concerning the $100,000.00 1909-S Indian cent.
Griv - You know what comes with "fame" - and you pointed out you decliined the interview before changing your mind after repeated requests. Dimeman did not explain to his 12 year old grandson why coins one can find in pocket change can be worth a great deal of money.... he didn't even tell the boy that when he was a kid he was able to pull all sorts of Mercury Dimes from change and now they can be worth as much as $100,000.00+ each! If he didn't discuss that concept with the young numismatist, he will not take the time to consider ANYTHING you type back at him so why bother. That said - I believe Dimeman actually is as passionate about his opinion as you are about the future of certain Eagle coins.
Wondercoin
I realize there is a bunch of your "COIN club members that travel to shows together" and the impression is that they are all close minded like yourself. You immediately assume that since you and your buddies are the only "legit" collectors out there. While I may not be as old as yourself, I've been collecting since 1966 and I am stunned when some old fart tells me that my coins are "trash". Are you trying to make friends and influence people? I went a little overboard and a poster called me on it and I immediately apologized, but you just keep coming back with more insults and justification for basically being a coin bigot.
Well I hope you didn't pay too much more than face value for your crusted slices of yester year because based on your warped sense of value, it is YOU that got took, and bad. If there ever was a national crisis and our economy was disrupted, just remember you won't be able to by a donut and a cup of coffee with your bag of dirty dimes.
I would tend to agree on the SBA and Ikes which is why they were never popular but many people like to collect them and that's cool. I also think ALL the Barber coins are ugly and inappropriate. A stolen design from yester year that represents NOTHING of the country that minted it. In fact while I agree these are exciting coins to collect, they pale in comparison to the beauty of the modern bullion coins. I can tell you really didn't take a look at the platinum series picture I posted either that or your eye sight matches your tolerance.
And it is not just me and my buddies who feel the way we do about the classics. And to wondercoin, yes I could find Mercury dimes in circulation when I was a kid, in ag to xf at best. You CAN NOT compare the clad coins put out by the billions now to the coins minted in the past years like 1796 to 1930. You can not call a coin rare because it is MS70 when there are millions in the grades below.
I don't know how anyone can call the modern bullion designs beautiful at all. You might as well buy the Franklin Mint crap!!!
The beautiful designs are gone and there never will be another beautiful coin minted period!!!!! Coins with real people on them just look like crap and that is all there is to it.
Just when you think it is as ugly as it can get they come out with coins uglier, like the new president dollars. There is no way to describe how ugly those are!!!
Dimeman - Isn't this the exact point of some of the modern collectors - just because it is pocket change today doesn't mean great condition rarities can not and will not develop over a generation or two?
And, what did you think of the 1909-S indian cent thread with the $100,000.00 pop 1/0 "registry" coin? Still believe registry is only for moderns?
Wondercoin
With the exception of ONLY ONE coin, you could buy every coin in the seated dime series in AU to BU for less than what that 03 cent cost. That coin being the 74-CC, which could be bought in a low grade for that money. Tell me honestly which are rarer! And which has a bigger customer base?
No, I do not think that the 09-S is worth 100K, to me anyway. And yes the Registry problem can be found in the classics. There are a few people with deep pockets out there that are buying points so they can be #1. If you look at my set you will see that I am not a "point" collector! I try to buy at the grade right before the big jump and I buy the coin NOT the holder.
Dimeman - I haven't done the research, but it is your position then that except for one Seated dime date, you could buy the entire seated dime series in AU/BU for around $15,000? You are referring to just the 1873-1891 date run here - right (minus -2- CC dimes)?
I appreciate you recognizing that registry fever can be just as high with classics as moderns.
Wondercoin
<< <i>There are a few people with deep pockets out there >>
So now it comes out, poor little poor boy. First off the Chaos Collection was #1 in all 69 and in fact my set is the only one EVER completed so it could be chalk full of 66s and still be #1 so I collect for myself not for the Registry but do find it nice to have a place to keep track online and compare to other collections. It's fun, maybe that's what you lack in your life. Heck I found xfs in circulation back in the 60's so it wasn't that long ago they were common place.
The other point I want to make (3rd time by the way) is that the silver bullion uses the walking liberty you profess to be a classic and the gold eagles use the classic Augustus design form the classic $20 gold piece. This considered the GREATEST US COIN DESIGN of all time. What am I missing here other than you give a new meaning to dense?
As I was painting the last of my basement after my last post, it occurred to me why really bugs me about your posts. It's not really so much your totally uneducated views on bullion and modern coinage or even your criticism of my set and of me. I think it's just that your sour attitude reminds me of the bitter old coin dealers I used to deal with as a kid and why I stopped collecting the classics. I had quite an extensive silver collection with almost all of the Wash Qtrs, a good number of all the Barbers, Mercs and Roosies, almost all of the Walkers and Standinq Qtrs/Halves and around 25 Morgans and Peace dollars. I inherited many from my grandmother who had been collecting since she was a child. This was not a chump set. Somewhere along adolescence I decided that collection was better served in someone else's possession so I took it to my trusty local coin shop where I had been spending my allowance for the past 10 years to sell. Even though I read the red book like the holy Bible the dealer insisted that my coins were relatively worthless and that he had YEARS of grading experience. Even then I knew I was being ripped off but at 16, girls were more important that some old collection. Over the years I came to realize exactly what I had given up and don't be surprised if one or more of those coins are in your set. The other issue I shared in the article (that you threw out) where many years later as my interest in coins returned, my local coin dealer grew tired of selling me bullion coins even though we was making money on me and told me to just go to eBay and buy my coins. Imagine that. I can't even go in there anymore as he looks at me as if he is going to cry. What an opportunity lost.
So the point of this seemingly endless ramble is that people like you dimeman drive others out of the hobby. What your pea brain doesn't realize is that the more people who collect the more the coins are in demand which in turn raises the value of all collectable coins. Maybe if you understood that you wouldn't be stuck buying rusted jars of coins from old ladies at garage sales.
Anyway, my wonderful new wife asked me a few minutes ago after I was remarking what a total bigot dimeman seems to be and she asked, "Have you reached the point where you consider yourself to be arguing with an idiot?" Enough said.
Mitch- I don't consider it any fame to own a bunch of coins and now regret the article. The set or the coins may be famous but I'm just the smuck that owns them.
If you want to see something really famous . . .
Rob
"Those guys weren't Fathers they were...Mothers."
Griv - I didn't forget your mention of the designs of classics used for modern. They are close but no cigar! A silver eagle looks like a plastic medal compared to the Walking Liberty Half. And the gold isn't any better.
And as far as the dealer ripping you off.....he probably was somewhat, but most coins from people's jars contain low grade problem coins that aren't worth much unless you have some keys. And I really doubt that any of your coins made it into my set!
If you want to talk coins OK, but you can stop the personal attack on me anytime!
Again,
Boy, Griv, looks like you know how crappy your coins are and can't take it so you attack me and the classics.
If other collectors are reading this useless crap you are spewing, I sure don't understand why they don't jump in and set you striaght like dble55 did.
As for me, Griv, I am not going to waste anymore time on somebody that doesn't know sh*t about coins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do you think I care what you think? Since I'm sure you and nickeldimeman are buds and since neither of you have taken the time to even read my replies I recognize that I am wasting my time responding to a couple of bitter old men who not only are clueless about numismatics but are also mean spirited and hateful. Just the kind of collectors that give coin collecting a bad name and drive so many potential collectors away. Don't be surprised if we run into each other at a coin show sometime so since you threw out the mag, here's a couple of pics so you can recognize me.
Me climbing the 600 foot face of Stone Mountain.
Last year's climb on Denali
Pulling the roof on Daddy Bear 5.11a
It seems to me you were the first to attack me personally, but if it was me, I apologize.
My whole point of this thread was to show how much I dislike moderns and bullions aren't even coins, so why collect them?
This was never an attack on the collectors just the coins. I do tend to get back when someone attacks me and I should not have done that.
I hope we do meet at a coin show sometime so we can argue about the coins we like in person. I don't know about the mag thing. I go to most all of the STL shows and some of the Central States shows in the midwest.
Oh, by the way, I have been up Stone Mtn, also back in the 80's sometime.
<< <i>I sure don't understand why they don't jump in and set you striaght like dble55 did. >>
Maybe other collectors of classic's don't feel the "NEED" to attack the coins that some of us collect.
You know, live and let live. Moving to the beat of a different drum. Freedom of choice.
I have nothing against you Jon, I even like you, it just gets hard to take having you pop up here every week or so, spewing out the same crap about classics/good, moderns/evil.
There's only two reasons to collect any object. One is for investment, the other is for fun.
Let us have our fun and place in collecting, without poping up every once in a while and taking a big p*ss on us.
I hope every coin you collect goes up in value X ten in ten yrs. But most of all, I hope you have fun collecting them. peace out.