One of the best rack packs I've ever seen.
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<< <i>It's not real - these packs were made up well after 1956. >>
I think Steve Heart, BBCE, did a write up about these some time back.... these are not factory racks from 1956... Stay away
<< <i>It's not real - these packs were made up well after 1956. >>
Details?
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<< <i>It's not real - these packs were made up well after 1956. >>
Details? >>
Do a quick search on "Christmas Rack" on this forum and you should get plenty of info.
Scott
edited to add: do an advanced search for Christmas "AND" Rack in this forum and that should keep you busy.
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Never heard of anyone pulling investment grade cards from one of these. Although, the Mantle and Ford on top are cool.
bbcexchange (13283 )
03/13/07 04:16 PM (#13 of 14)
The only value these things have is to what you think the 6 cards showing are worth. If you think the 6 cards showing are valued at $20.00 each, then the rack is certainly worth $120 to you. You can even add in $20 per for the cards not showing. But to give any value to the "rack" itself, please add a big zero in your calculations. These packs came to me in Anaheim last year. Also, they had 68,69 and 70 rack packs. The racks from those 3 years were homemade with a lazer printer, some brand new shrinkwrap and some cards. However, they at least took the time and money to buy razor fresh vending cards from the Mastro auction. They were, of course, all the leftover off-center cards. What is disappointing is that a couple of major dealers bought them at around $1000 per rack(for the 68,69 and 70's) and expecting me to pay a couple thousand each. However, once I showed them the real racks, they went running around trying to get their money back.
Heres a Thread on them where a buyer/seller of them admits they are after market. I felt they were fishing for buyers without revealing the whole truth,.
<< <i>Quote taken from another thread on these X MAs rasks.
bbcexchange (13283 )
03/13/07 04:16 PM (#13 of 14)
The only value these things have is to what you think the 6 cards showing are worth. If you think the 6 cards showing are valued at $20.00 each, then the rack is certainly worth $120 to you. You can even add in $20 per for the cards not showing. But to give any value to the "rack" itself, please add a big zero in your calculations. These packs came to me in Anaheim last year. Also, they had 68,69 and 70 rack packs. The racks from those 3 years were homemade with a lazer printer, some brand new shrinkwrap and some cards. However, they at least took the time and money to buy razor fresh vending cards from the Mastro auction. They were, of course, all the leftover off-center cards. What is disappointing is that a couple of major dealers bought them at around $1000 per rack(for the 68,69 and 70's) and expecting me to pay a couple thousand each. However, once I showed them the real racks, they went running around trying to get their money back.
Heres a Thread on them where a buyer/seller of them admits they are after market. I felt they were fishing for buyers without revealing the whole truth,. >>
I really enjoyed reading that thread. That dude you were talking to sounds like a tool. hahaha
<< <i>So there are REAL racks from that time period? Anyone have any pics? >>
Yes .
No, I don't have any pics but I'm sure there are at least a couple of members here who do.
Again, buying these pack even if they are "real", is a huge gamble. You'd be better off buying one high grade single with the money you'd spend.
no , the 1st known baseball racks are from 1960 and are triple cello racks.
thee is a football version with 59 and 60 cellos mixed in a triple rack.
these are the oldest real racks from topps.
there are cello packs believed to be from all years from topps although the 54 is the oldest to have surfaced. there were also several 53 bowman color cellos known which would be the oldest still intact.
These following 15 listings offer repackaged Topps baseball cards whose vintages (exclusive one to another) span the issues 1953 through 1962. They replicate standard three-chamber rack packs, but all of these were repackaged by an independent (non-Topps) entity. Today, of course, cards of this vintage would pose prohibitive costs to prepare. The compilation of these, on the other hand, almost certainly dates to the late 1970s or early '80s. Uniformly, they're all presented as Christmas merchandise, but with no indication of manufacturer or retailer. All are soundly packaged with pristinely fresh retail mounting headers, and the cards contained in each of the chambers are virtually immobile. Therefore, we're unable to maneuver the contents to determine any cards other than those on the top and bottom of each chamber. It seems that each of these rack packs holds a total of twelve cards (although this can't be guaranteed). And finally, it appears that all of these cards are minimally EX/MT; in all likelihood, they originally circulated through their normal retail channels (per vintage) and then selected (on the merit of condition) for this market campaign.
<< <i>Here's a closed auction with an honest seller Closed auction.
These following 15 listings offer repackaged Topps baseball cards whose vintages (exclusive one to another) span the issues 1953 through 1962. They replicate standard three-chamber rack packs, but all of these were repackaged by an independent (non-Topps) entity. Today, of course, cards of this vintage would pose prohibitive costs to prepare. The compilation of these, on the other hand, almost certainly dates to the late 1970s or early '80s. Uniformly, they're all presented as Christmas merchandise, but with no indication of manufacturer or retailer. All are soundly packaged with pristinely fresh retail mounting headers, and the cards contained in each of the chambers are virtually immobile. Therefore, we're unable to maneuver the contents to determine any cards other than those on the top and bottom of each chamber. It seems that each of these rack packs holds a total of twelve cards (although this can't be guaranteed). And finally, it appears that all of these cards are minimally EX/MT; in all likelihood, they originally circulated through their normal retail channels (per vintage) and then selected (on the merit of condition) for this market campaign. >>
Wow. That's the way all of 'em ought to be.
<< <i>Wow.
'56 Rack with Mantle AND Ford on top >>
so are the contained cards real?
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<< <i>Wow.
'56 Rack with Mantle AND Ford on top >>
so are the contained cards real? >>
Yes, but the rack itself is a re-packaging job.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I'm always surprised these "Christmas" racks command as much as they do at this point (though they used to go for even more years back when Murphy first offered them). >>
Everyone assumes they're original Topps packaging.
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<< <i>I'm always surprised these "Christmas" racks command as much as they do at this point (though they used to go for even more years back when Murphy first offered them). >>
Everyone assumes they're original Topps packaging. >>
Of course, because the weasel sellers usually either say that or imply that!
Thanks for getting in touch, but I'm well aware of the origin of these racks (as are most advanced collectors such as myself). Each fall after the World Series Topps sold all of their excess cards to a third party who repackaged them and sold them as Xmas racks as Christmas presents. In fact, it was the commercial success of these Xmas racks that made Topps decide to start selling their own rack packs in 1960. Most everyone who collects them is well aware of the fact that they were not originally produced and packaged by Topps, but that doesn't change the fact that they are just as visually appealing and collectible as the later racks produced and sold by Topps directly.
I'm pretty sure that I'll be able to re-sell this rack through an auction house for much more than I paid for it given the legion of Yankees fans out there. Even on EBay, I could probably re-sell it for $3000+ if I marketed the item better (used bold and outline to highlight the listing) and ended the auction on a Sunday evening (as opposed to after midnight EST on a Thursday when most Yankees fans were probably fast asleep). The seller also made a major mistake by listing it over Labor Day weekend when many buyers are out of town.
What are your thoughts guys and ladies?
Also..
http://cgi.ebay.com/1970-TOPPS-OPC-XMAS-RACK-PACK-DAVE-RAIMEY-TOP-REPK-CFL_W0QQitemZ220024060692QQihZ012QQcategoryZ55995QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
sorry link is no longer valid but I saw it. 1970 football cards. ?? So they went back to selling to this "guy" ?
Thats 3 years after they decided to make their own.
Also....
I know for fact that when Xmas racks first starting appearing 5 years ago or so they were made for the years 53'-63' with 63'the rarest year. This is first I have seen or heard of 52' .
All my sources of info is easily available. Just LMK
So Topps made them starting in 1960 and still sold them to a "guy" in 1962?
Agreed. As packcollector said, most all of these racks were produced at the same time, years after the issue date, not after the World Series each fall, LOL (very creative story, though). That's why the condition of all the cards in these racks is EX-MT at BEST.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.