~~~NFL Defensive/Offensive Rookie of the Year Set Thread~~~

ArnyVee

I created a new topic since the other one was making me so dizzy with all of those gosh darn words on it!

Please give me your feedback as to which cards should be included...especially with the modern stuff.


BEST ROOKIE CARDS FOR THE NFL DEFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR SET

AP Defensive Rookies of the Year

Season Player Team Position

1967 Lem Barney Detroit Lions Cornerback (1970 Topps #75)
1968 Claude Humphrey Atlanta Falcons Defensive end (1970 Topps #156?)
1969 Joe Greene Pittsburgh Steelers Defensive tackle (1971 Topps #245)
1970 Bruce Taylor San Francisco 49ers Cornerback (1971 Topps #231?)
1971 Isiah Robertson Los Angeles Rams Linebacker (1972 Topps #215) PSA 9
1972 Willie Buchanon Green Bay Packers Cornerback (1974 Topps #292) PSA 9
1973 Wally Chambers Chicago Bears Defensive tackle (1974 Topps #474?)
1974 Jack Lambert Pittsburgh Steelers Linebacker (1976 Topps #220)
1975 Robert Brazile Houston Oilers Linebacker (1976 Topps #424?) PSA 9
1976 Mike Haynes New England Patriots Cornerback (1977 Topps #50) PSA 9
1977 A.J. Duhe Miami Dolphins Defensive end (1978 Topps #22?)
1978 Al Baker Detroit Lions Defensive end (1979 Topps #75)
1979 Jim Haslett Buffalo Bills Linebacker (1981 Topps #173)
1980 Buddy Curry & Al Richardson Atlanta Falcons Linebackers (1983 Topps #17 -- 1981 Topps #292)
1981 Lawrence Taylor New York Giants Linebacker (1982 Topps #434) PSA 9
1982 Chip Banks Cleveland Browns Linebacker (1983 Topps #245) PSA 9
1983 Vernon Maxwell Baltimore Colts Linebacker (1984 Topps #16)
1984 Bill Maas Kansas City Chiefs Defensive tackle (1985 Topps #278) PSA 9
1985 Duane Bickett Indianapolis Colts Linebacker (1986 Topps #322) PSA 9
1986 Leslie O'Neal San Diego Chargers Defensive end (1987 Topps #347) PSA 10
1987 Shane Conlan Buffalo Bills Linebacker (1988 Topps #232) PSA 10
1988 Erik McMillan New York Jets Safety (1989 Score Supplemental #349S)
1989 Derrick Thomas Kansas City Chiefs Linebacker (1989 Score #258) PSA 10
1990 Mark Carrier Chicago Bears Safety (1990 Action Packed Rookie Update #30)
1991 Mike Croel Denver Broncos Linebacker (1991 Stadium Club #310)
1992 Dale Carter Kansas City Chiefs Cornerback (1992 Stadium Club #689)
1993 Dana Stubblefield San Francisco 49ers Defensive tackle (1993 SP #241)
1994 Tim Bowens Miami Dolphins Defensive tackle (1994 Action Packed #139)
1995 Hugh Douglas New York Jets Defensive end (1995 Bowman's Best #16?)
1996 Simeon Rice Arizona Cardinals Defensive end (1996 SP #3)
1997 Peter Boulware Baltimore Ravens Linebacker (1997 SP Authentic #?)
1998 Charles Woodson Oakland Raiders Cornerback (1998 SP Authentic #23)
1999 Jevon Kearse Tennessee Titans Defensive end (1999 SP Authentic #116)
2000 Brian Urlacher Chicago Bears Linebacker (2000 SP Authentic #122)
2001 Kendrell Bell Pittsburgh Steelers Linebacker (2001 SP Authentic #171) PSA 9
2002 Julius Peppers Carolina Panthers Defensive end (2002 Topps Chrome #214)
2003 Terrell Suggs Baltimore Ravens Linebacker (2003 Topps Chrome #169)
2004 Jonathan Vilma New York Jets Linebacker (2004 Topps Chrome #186)
2005 Shawne Merriman San Diego Chargers Linebacker (2005 Topps Chrome #?)
2006 DeMeco Ryans Houston Texans Linebacker (2006 SP Authentic #99)

drewsef

I think Demeco Ryans should be 2006 SP Authentic. That will be the card used when the Alabama registry set is approved also.

Sounds like a nice set to put together

ArnyVee

I like consistency, so I'll suggest the SP Authentic of Demeco Ryans as well.

Are you doing the Gold version (/25) or regular version (/750)?

Any other suggestions out there?

Publius

Arny
Great idea, I think a #1 draft choice, rookie of the year or something along that line would be a good idea for a set.

Thanks again for all the 85 topps!!

drewsef

just the regular version

ArnyVee

"regular version"....very good. Just checking.

Should I just make the SP Authentic card the card to add to the players from the last 90's and current? Or, are there better options to go with on some of those players?

Once we nail down the defensive list, we'll start working on the offensive side.

ArnyVee

Since I haven't received too many comments/suggestions for the defensive side of the ball....let's go with the offense....here's the list.....

AP Offensive Rookies of the Year

Season Player Team Position

1967 Mel Farr Detroit Lions Running back (1970 Topps #52) PSA 8
1968 Earl McCullouch Detroit Lions Offensive end (1970 Topps #195?)
1969 Calvin Hill Dallas Cowboys Running back (1970 Topps #260?)
1970 Dennis Shaw Buffalo Bills Quarterback (1971 Topps #235) PSA 8
1971 John Brockington Green Bay Packers Running back (1972 Topps #85?)
1972 Franco Harris Pittsburgh Steelers Running back (1973 Topps #89)
1973 Chuck Foreman Minnesota Vikings Running back (1974 Topps #113)
1974 Don Woods San Diego Chargers Running back (1975 Topps #10)
1975 Mike Thomas Washington Redskins Running back (1976 Topps #429) PSA 9
1976 Sammy (Sammie) White Minnesota Vikings Wide receiver (1977 Topps #340) PSA 9
1977 Tony Dorsett Dallas Cowboys Running back (1978 Topps #315)
1978 Earl Campbell Houston Oilers Running back (1979 Topps #390) PSA 9
1979 Ottis Anderson St. Louis Cardinals Running back (1980 Topps #170)
1980 Billy Sims Detroit Lions Running back (1981 Topps #100)
1981 George Rogers New Orleans Saints Running back (1982 Topps #410)
1982 Marcus Allen Los Angeles Raiders Running back (1983 Topps #294)
1983 Eric Dickerson Los Angeles Rams Running back (1984 Topps #280) PSA 9
1984 Louis Lipps Pittsburgh Steelers Wide receiver (1985 Topps #358) PSA 10
1985 Eddie Brown Cincinnati Bengals Wide receiver (1986 Topps #260)
1986 Rueben Mayes New Orleans Saints Running back (1987 Topps #274)
1987 Troy Stradford Miami Dolphins Running back (1988 Topps #191)
1988 John Stephens New England Patriots Running back (1989 Score #236)
1989 Barry Sanders Detroit Lions Running back (1989 Score #257) PSA 9
1990 Emmitt Smith Dallas Cowboys Running back (1990 Score Supplemental #101)
1991 Leonard Russell New England Patriots Running back (1991 Stadium Club #435)
1992 Carl Pickens Cincinnati Bengals Wide receiver (1992 Pro Set #461) PSA 9
1993 Jerome Bettis Los Angeles Rams Running back (1993 SP #6)
1994 Marshall Faulk Indianapolis Colts Running back (1994 SP #3) PSA 10
1995 Curtis Martin New England Patriots Running back (1995 SP #18) PSA 9
1996 Eddie George Houston Oilers Running back (1996 SP #5) PSA 9
1997 Warrick Dunn Tampa Bay Buccaneers Running back (1997 SP Authentic #10) PSA 9
1998 Randy Moss Minnesota Vikings Wide receiver (1998 SP Authentic #18)
1999 Edgerrin James Indianapolis Colts Running back (1999 SP Authentic #94?)
2000 Mike Anderson Denver Broncos Running back (2000 SP Authentic #164?) PSA 10
2001 Anthony Thomas Chicago Bears Running back (2001 SP Authentic #109?)
2002 Clinton Portis Denver Broncos Running back (2002 Topps Chrome #181)
2003 Anquan Boldin Arizona Cardinals Wide receiver (2003 Topps Chrome #203)
2004 Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Steelers Quarterback (2004 Topps Chrome #166) PSA 10
2005 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers Running back (2005 Topps Chrome #197)
2006 Vince Young Tennessee Titans Quarterback (2006 Topps Chrome #223) PSA 10

Suggestions? I need help with the newer ones especially.

drewsef

the card for Carl Pickens is definitely the pro set, it's used in another registry set already and I would assume the Leonard Russell would be stadium club.

some others you listed:

Eddie George is the 96 SP
Dana Stubblefield would probably be the 93 SP #241
Peter Boulware 97 SP Authentic
Randy Moss 98 SP Authentic

Gabbs

Arny,

Great idea for a set!

Its interesting to see the old names, and remember the guys that turned out to be:
1. HOF'er
2. good/great player
3. flash in the pan

Gabbs

gregm13

After 2000, you should be using SP Authentic as the card. It should likely be Topps Chrome.

Greg M.

gregm13

Arny,

Are you still going to put together the defensive set?

Greg M.

JasP24

<< <i>After 2000, you should be using SP Authentic as the card. It should likely be Topps Chrome.

Greg M. >>



Yep.

After 2000, the SP Authentic are mostly autographed and/or game used cards which are not eligible for use in HOF or Key card sets.

Jason

BillsGridironGreats

Just some thoughts:

You also have to be careful after 2002 on the Chrome cards, for instance, the 2005 Bowman Chrome Merriman is an autograph card.

As for the other Defensive players: I would always pick the Topps cards over any police issue (1980).
I would go with the AP over score and proset for 1990 (since they are not in the updates)
In 1991, it's between the AP and Pinnacle
In 1992, it has to be the 1992 stadium club.
In 1993, it's between the AP and Upper deck (wasn't he is 1993 SP?)
In 1998, Woodson is in SP Authentic, that should be the card

If the card numbers less than 1000 it should not be included.

ArnyVee

<< <i>Arny,

Are you still going to put together the defensive set?

Greg M. >>



Yes, doing both. But, the defensive players weren't getting comments/help so I went to the offense to get the feedback going. I'll be doing both sets. Should be fun.


I appreciate the help with the newer stuff. I don't really follow too much of the newer stuff, so I could use the help.

ArnyVee

<< <i>Arny,

Great idea for a set!

Its interesting to see the old names, and remember the guys that turned out to be:
1. HOF'er
2. good/great player
3. flash in the pan

Gabbs >>



Thanks Gabbs. Yeah, that's what I liked about it....nice mix of players. Also, aside from a nice theme, it doesn't hurt you as much in the pocket book.

ArnyVee

I've picked up a few of the defensive/offensive R.O.Y. cards so far. But, just trying to get the actual cards down specifically and the weighting after that.

Any other suggestions/confirmations as to which cards I should submit to PSA?

jradke4

<< <i>

<< <i>Arny,

Great idea for a set!

Its interesting to see the old names, and remember the guys that turned out to be:
1. HOF'er
2. good/great player
3. flash in the pan

Gabbs >>



Thanks Gabbs. Yeah, that's what I liked about it....nice mix of players. Also, aside from a nice theme, it doesn't hurt you as much in the pocket book. >>



look only 8-10 HOF to potential HOF on the Def ROY and 10-12 HOF to potential HOF on the Off ROY. So its roughly a 25% chance that either ROY will make the HOF.

alifaxwa2

NEVERMIND

ArnyVee

Picked up a Leslie O'Neal PSA 10 rookie for my upcoming set.

ArnyVee

Can I have some help with these? Which ones should we use?

Defensive
1990 Mark Carrier Chicago Bears Safety (1990 Action Packed Rookie Update #30/1990 Pro Set #674/1990 Score #627?)
1991 Mike Croel Denver Broncos Linebacker (1991 Action Packed Rookie Update #3/1991 Topps #545/1991 Pinnacle #292/1991 Pacific #576?)
1992 Dale Carter Kansas City Chiefs Cornerback (1992 Skybox #324/1992 Topps #670/1992 Stadium Club #689?)

2001 Kendrell Bell Pittsburgh Steelers Linebacker (2001 SP?)
2002 Julius Peppers Carolina Panthers Defensive end (2002 Topps Chrome/Bowman Chrome/SP?)
2003 Terrell Suggs Baltimore Ravens Linebacker (2003 Topps Chrome/Bowman Chrome/SP?)
2004 Jonathan Vilma New York Jets Linebacker (2004 Topps Chrome/Bowman Chrome/SP?)
2005 Shawne Merriman San Diego Chargers Linebacker (2005 Topps Chrome/Bowman Chrome/SP?)


Offensive
2001 Anthony Thomas Chicago Bears Running back (2001 SP Authentic #109?)
2002 Clinton Portis Denver Broncos Running back (2002 SP Authentic # ?)
2003 Anquan Boldin Arizona Cardinals Wide receiver (2003 SP Authentic #253?)
2004 Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Steelers Quarterback (2004 SP Authentic # ?)
2005 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers Running back (2005 SP Authentic # ?)
2006 Vince Young Tennessee Titans Quarterback (2006 SP Authentic # ?)

Can someone help out with the suggestions on these guys?

ArnyVee

Here's a pic of another Defensive R.O.Y.



Hopefully placing some pics in this thread will inspire some folks to help out.

drewsef

I'm not sure on the super modern guys whether the SP Authentic cards you listed are autographs or patch cards, which wouldn't work.

ArnyVee

You're right Drew...that's why I need the help with those.

drewsef

I can't afford those so I usually go with the Topps or Bowman chrome, but will try to look into them since your overwhelmed with help already(too bad it's not a set 2 or 3 guys here aren't interested in or didn't create themselves, or they might help you too)

ArnyVee

I'm sure that once it's created we'll have plenty of folks wanting to jump on the set. But, for now, it's the tough part of the research and suggestions.

I'm creating a spreadsheet (Cosetta likes it when you do the work for them! ) with the cards and such. Then, we'll place a weighting for it as well. This way, all they have to do is to create the set and have folks add their cards.

Guys, still looking for help with these.....

Defensive
1990 Mark Carrier Chicago Bears Safety (1990 Action Packed Rookie Update #30/1990 Pro Set #674/1990 Score #627?)
1991 Mike Croel Denver Broncos Linebacker (1991 Action Packed Rookie Update #3/1991 Topps #545/1991 Pinnacle #292/1991 Pacific #576?)
1992 Dale Carter Kansas City Chiefs Cornerback (1992 Skybox #324/1992 Topps #670/1992 Stadium Club #689?)

2001 Kendrell Bell Pittsburgh Steelers Linebacker (2001 SP?)
2002 Julius Peppers Carolina Panthers Defensive end (2002 Topps Chrome/Bowman Chrome/SP?)
2003 Terrell Suggs Baltimore Ravens Linebacker (2003 Topps Chrome/Bowman Chrome/SP?)
2004 Jonathan Vilma New York Jets Linebacker (2004 Topps Chrome/Bowman Chrome/SP?)
2005 Shawne Merriman San Diego Chargers Linebacker (2005 Topps Chrome/Bowman Chrome/SP?)


Offensive
2001 Anthony Thomas Chicago Bears Running back (2001 SP Authentic #109?)
2002 Clinton Portis Denver Broncos Running back (2002 SP Authentic # ?)
2003 Anquan Boldin Arizona Cardinals Wide receiver (2003 SP Authentic #253?)
2004 Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Steelers Quarterback (2004 SP Authentic # ?)
2005 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers Running back (2005 SP Authentic # ?)
2006 Vince Young Tennessee Titans Quarterback (2006 SP Authentic # ?)

drewsef

I definitely don't claim to be 100% correct, but did a little looking into each card:

Vince Young: Either 2006 Bowman Chrome or Topps Chrome, all the 2006 SP Authentic cards I could find either had a patch or auto or a combination of the two.
Cadillac Williams: same as above with the SP Authentic, either 2005 bowman chrome or topps chrome(I think this is the more attractive set)
Ben Roethlisberger: same deal with SP Authentic and Bowman Chrome, they are both autos. probably 2004 topps chrome
Anquan Boldin: has an SP Authentic patch #850, or Topps Chrome or Bowman Chrome
Clinton Portis: 2002 Topps Chrome, Bowman Chrome, and SPX, other major brands are autos or patches
Anthony Thomas: UD Pros and Prospects #1000, Topps Chrome, Bowman Chrome that are not autos or patch cards

Mark Carrier: the Action Packed rookie update is used for Leroy Butler's rookie card, I assume that it's possibly the more limited than Pro Set or Score, if there is such a thing.
Mike Croel: would probably think Pinnacle, then Action Packed rookie update
Dale Carter: Stadium Club

2001 Kendrell Bell Pittsburgh Steelers Linebacker 2001 SP Authentic
2002 Julius Peppers Carolina Panthers Defensive end 2002 Topps Chrome looks like this is the best non-auto or patch
2003 Terrell Suggs Baltimore Ravens Linebacker (2003 Topps Chrome (same as Peppers)
2004 Jonathan Vilma New York Jets Linebacker (2004 Topps Chrome(personal preference over 04 Bowman Chrome design) or Bowman Chrome(same as previous two)
2005 Shawne Merriman San Diego Chargers Linebacker not as easy to find a non-auto card. noticed Leaf Rookies and Stars, Ultra, Bowman, Playoff Prestige, Leaf Certified Materials, Leaf Limited, Absolute Memorabilia, as the more notables, but not 100% if any are too short numbered. Definitely the Bowman, Playoff Prestige, and Ultra are not autos, patches, or too limited. edited to add, there's also a regular Donruss Classics #1999

ArnyVee

Thanks Drew!

I'll try and update those soon in my original list. I'd appreciate some additional help if anyone knows for sure on those more modern ones.

Here's another recent addition to my NFL Defensive/Offensive R.O.Y. set.....




...for the Vince Young Rookie, is the Topps Chrome #223 the regular one? All of them on eBay state "Special Edition" on them. Are they all the same?

Gabbs

Arny,Drew, et al

I looked up the values in Beckett online for
Mark Carrier, Mike Croel, and Dale Carter

Drew had them pretty good!

Mark Carrier most valuable/ scarce rookie = 1990 Action Packed rookie update #30
Mike Croel most valuable / scarce rookie = 1991 Stadium Club # 310
Dale Carter most valuable / scarce rookie = 1992 Stadium Club # 689 (from the high series, not the easiest card to find BTW)

Cant wait to participate in the set !!

Gabbs

drewsef

In 2006 Topps chrome really messed up with the silly Special Edition thing, so here are what they produced:

regular 2006 topps chrome Vince Young (this is the one to use in my opinion under the registry guidelines)
2006 topps chrome with special edition logo Vince Young(same, but a parallel to PSA cause it has the SE logo on it)
2006 topps chrome Vince Young refractor with SE logo(they didn't offer a refractor with no special edition logo, weird but whatever)

ArnyVee

Great job guys! We'll get this done yet!

By the way, I noticed that the Carl Pickens used for the All-Time Bengals was the Pro set one and I hear it's a tough condition sensitive one. But, the Action Packed shows worth more from what I saw. Should we keep it as the Pro-Set one? (I'm fine with that, just wondering)

Oh, and here's another recent addition to the set-to-be!

drewsef

I would say the Carl Pickens pro set card for consistency. Nice SP Martin rookie, I really like that card.

ArnyVee

Well, I had picked up a few raw cards and I think that I did real well with a couple of them. I have four Duane Bicketts that I'm looking to submit and three Eddie Brown cards from the '86 Set. Then, I have two Buddy Curry cards ('83 Topps) to submit as well. All of them seem to have really nice shots at 9s and I might be able to squeeze out a 10 out of a couple of these!

Here's another card that I picked up for our future set....



.....Drew, I figured that you'd like this one!

drewsef

there you go, that's nice. I have 5 or 6 of those in PSA 9 but want to submit and have a 10 graded myself

ArnyVee

As we put this set together, we have to keep an eye out for the 2007 Rookie classes....who will win R.O.Y. for offense & defense this season?

OFFENSE
1st - Adrian Peterson
2nd - Calvin Johnson
3rd - Marshawn Lynch
4th - Dwayne Bowe
5th - Brandon Jackson

DEFENSE
1st - Patrick Willis
2nd - Paul Posluzny
3rd - Amobi Okoye

.....is this the order currently after week 2?

drewsef

Brandon Marshall was a rookie last year. I would think either Peterson, Calvin Johnson, or Lynch all have a good shot, and either Patrick Willis or Paul Posluzny look good so far. Of course Amobi Okoye had 2 sacks yesterday and who knows who could really get adjusted to NFL speed and have a great remainder of the year, but I would have to say Willis has the lead right now.

ArnyVee

Did a couple of updates on the actual cards that we should be using.

I've picked up another one for the future set....

ArnyVee

I'm happy about this pickup (among a couple of others that I'll show in the next couple of days ) for the upcoming Defensive/Offensive Rookie of the Year set!





By the way, who will win R.O.Y. for offense & defense this season?

OFFENSE
1st - Adrian Peterson
2nd - Dwayne Bowe
3rd - Marshawn Lynch
4th - Calvin Johnson
5th - Brandon Jackson

DEFENSE (One horse race here?)
1st - Patrick Willis
2nd - Amobi Okoye

.....is this the order currently after week 4?

drewsef

I think unless Willis gets injured he's a lock for ROY on defense unless Okoye really turns it on. I think the offensive ROY is for Peterson to lose with Bowe and Lynch a distant 2nd and 3rd, with Calvin Johnson potentiallly giving it a run if his back gets better and Peterson gets injured or really has a decline. I don't think Brandon Jackson is even going to break 500 yards rushing this year, especially given Morency coming back and the other rookie packer RB Deshawn Wynn being ok at short yardage.

ArnyVee

Here's another win and addition to our upcoming set....

ArnyVee

Another to add to the upcoming set....



...in the short time that I've been following some of the late '70s football cards, the '77s really seem to have a quality control issue with the centering problems. Plus, the design is "top heavy" which makes it seem off centered sometimes when it's not. Not sure if that plays tricks on the minds when determining grades.

ArnyVee

Another to add to the set....small scan, but I don't have it in hand yet...

ArnyVee

So, is it even a race at Offensive ROY anymore? I mean, we aren't even halfway and it's becoming a run-away....

Who will win R.O.Y. for offense & defense this season?

OFFENSE
1st - Adrian Peterson
2nd - Dwayne Bowe
3rd - Marshawn Lynch
4th - Calvin Johnson
5th - Brandon Jackson

DEFENSE
1st - Patrick Willis
2nd - Amobi Okoye

.....is this the order currently after week 5?

gregm13

<< <i>So, is it even a race at Offensive ROY anymore? I mean, we aren't even halfway and it's becoming a run-away....

Who will win R.O.Y. for offense & defense this season?

OFFENSE
1st - Adrian Peterson
2nd - Dwayne Bowe
3rd - Marshawn Lynch
4th - Calvin Johnson
5th - Brandon Jackson

DEFENSE
1st - Patrick Willis
2nd - Amobi Okoye

.....is this the order currently after week 5? >>



I think that Adrian Peterson answered that questions yesterday!

Greg M.

ArnyVee

Exactly, what a performance by Peterson! What is Peterson's best (without a patch or auto) card?

gregm13

<< <i>Exactly, what a performance by Peterson! What is Peterson's best (without a patch or auto) card? >>



To be honest, I'd rather just set one set as THE rookie card for each player - say Topps Chrome???!!!


Greg M.

ArnyVee

<< <i>To be honest, I'd rather just set one set as THE rookie card for each player - say Topps Chrome???!!!

Greg M. >>



Well, it's been pretty consistent as far as the cards in the set go. The most recent years (2002-2005) look to be all Topps Chrome. With the exception of last year's DeMeco Ryans who had a "regular" SP Authentic that wasn't all patched or auto'd up!

For the 1997-2001 years we have SP Authentic as the card of choice. And, from 1970 through 1988 we have Topps as the card. So, with the exception of the "card boom" years of '89 through '96 we have pretty consistent cards going for the set. I was surprised to see that Tim Bowens & Hugh Douglas didn't have SP cards in the '94 & '95 sets respectively. We could've had a small SP ('93-'96) run before the SP Authentic cards of '97.

The weighting is one that I'd like to put out here on the threads for debate.

For the defensive side of the ball I see everyone at a 1.00 rating aside from the following.....

Lem Barney 2.50
"Mean" Joe Greene 3.00
Jack Lambert 2.50 or 3.00?
Mike Haynes 2.50 or 3.00?
Lawrence Taylor 4.00?
Derrick Thomas 2.00
Dale Carter 1.50
Simeon Rice 1.50
Brian Urlacher 3.00

....is this fair for the defensive side of the ball? The full list of players is on the first page of this thread.

As far as the offensive players, I have everyone at a 1.00 weighting aside from the following....

Franco Harris 3.00
Tony Dorsett 4.00
Earl Campbell 4.00
Ottis Anderson 1.50
Marcus Allen 3.00 or 3.50?
Eric Dickerson 4.00
Barry Sanders 5.00
Emmitt Smith 5.00
Jerome Bettis 3.00
Marshall Faulk 2.50
Curtis Martin 2.00
Eddie George 1.50
Randy Moss 1.50 or 2.00?
Edgerrin James 1.50
Clinton Portis 1.50
Ben Roethelisberger 1.50

.....thoughts about changes on either side of the ball?

drewsef

If I'm wrong, let me know, but aren't the weights based on the card in PSA 8? If so, I would put the weights something like this.

For the defensive side of the ball I see everyone at a 1.00 rating aside from the following.....

Lem Barney 2.00
"Mean" Joe Greene 5.00
Jack Lambert 3.00
Mike Haynes 1.50
Lawrence Taylor 2.00
Derrick Thomas 1.00
Dale Carter 1.00
Simeon Rice 1.00
Brian Urlacher 3.50

....is this fair for the defensive side of the ball? The full list of players is on the first page of this thread.

As far as the offensive players, I have everyone at a 1.00 weighting aside from the following....

Franco Harris 3.50
Tony Dorsett 3.00
Earl Campbell 3.00
Ottis Anderson 1.00
Marcus Allen 1.50
Eric Dickerson 1.50
Barry Sanders 2.00
Emmitt Smith 3.00
Jerome Bettis 1.50
Marshall Faulk 1.00
Curtis Martin 1.00
Eddie George 1.00
Randy Moss 3.50
Edgerrin James 2.50
Clinton Portis 1.00
Ben Roethelisberger 1.50

ArnyVee

<< <i>If I'm wrong, let me know, but aren't the weights based on the card in PSA 8? If so, I would put the weights something like this. >>



I was under the impression that the 'value' of the card along with the popularity of the individual had something to do with it. If it's simply the value, then how do you tier the values?

drewsef

Like I said, I'm not the best person to ask, I thought I had read it on the boards here in the past regarding the value in PSA to determine weight(of course could not find it when searching past threads.) Maybe a pm to Jasp24 or OSclabs would be more helpful.

ArnyVee

That's cool, hopefully someone will chime in.

Here's another one to add to the set once it's up and runnin'....

ArnyVee

Another one to add to the set!