In pro set....

erinstubby

what is considered low series and what is considered high series. For example, what series would card #461 be considered as. If i bought a box, what series would i have to buy to obtain this particular card?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

envoy98

COMPLETE SET (561)
COMP.SERIES 1 (440)
COMP.SERIES 2 (100)
COMP.FINAL FACT.SET (21)

erinstubby

thanks alot for your information. It is greatly appreciated.

CDsNuts

You will never find your mint Carl Pickens RC. I have them all.

envoy98

Actually I have them all.

Literally.

CDsNuts

Oh. Well I have all the raw ones with chipped edges.

CDsNuts

How did they pick cards for the registry anyway? Why would a pro set card be picked over Action Packed and yet the 1990 Action Packed Leroy Butler was picked over the pro set? Why did they pick the 1996 Topps Willie Anderson over Boman's Best, UD, Select Certified, etc...?

drewsef

<< <i>How did they pick cards for the registry anyway? Why would a pro set card be picked over Action Packed and yet the 1990 Action Packed Leroy Butler was picked over the pro set? Why did they pick the 1996 Topps Willie Anderson over Boman's Best, UD, Select Certified, etc...? >>



well, it doesn't go by what makes sense, apparently from the members on here, and some who are not, who help get some of these sets created and can influence what cards are put in, it has absolutely nothing to do with the most popular card or which one collectors prefer, it goes by the highest value card and whether that maintains continuity or not does not matter

FavreFan1971

Lee, it is all about the amount of beer drank when deciding what card to put in the set. I would have preferred the ProSet Butler because I have about a 100 of them and only a few of the Action Packed.

drewsef

one good instance of this is Willie Roaf. The 93 SP is in my opinion a better card, more widely collected as a set, yet they use the Bowman card because it has foil around it that makes it a bit tougher to find in mint and gem, despite the fact that any other rookie card I can think of from that year, the 93 SP is considered the best card.

CDsNuts

No rhyme or reason I guess. If condition-sensitive were the guage, then every rookie from 93 and 94 should be their Playoff card. I just think it's stupid that it's gotten to the point where a 93 Bowman Roaf in PSA 10 will sell for $500 and a 93 SP Roaf (equally tough in high grade from my experience) will sell for $30. I understand the registry is driving the price, but such an inexplicably huge discrepancy really screws with the market. What happens in 5 years when MOSH, fight4olddc, envoy, Jasp, FavreFan, and whoever else wants the 93 Bowman PSA 10 Roaf has it? There's enough 93 Bowman product out there that this is an inevitability. Hell, I've got 3 ready to send off that I think have a shot.

What's really gonna be interesting is 10 years from now when our current players are starting to get HOF consideration, all of the expensive auto'd and numbered rookies are gonna be needed. I just can't imagine what people will be paying for PSA 10 SP Authentic Manning RCs and auto'd Reggie Bush RCs. Are they going to use the Exquisite for the rookies of the ast couple years since it's their "best" card? This is really only gonna get uglier.

Lee

jradke4

people are already paying top dollar for Manning SP Rc's in PSA 10.

envoy98

Well this thread sure spiraled out of control.

To answer your question, any card with an autograph (except for the Heisman set for some inexplicable reason) is excluded from consideration. It's the best (highest value card) that is #/999 or above and is a mainstream issue.

FYI, the Pro Set Pickens is a tough card to find without chipping. I've had a number of them and they all had some amount of chipping.

By the way, I see nothing wrong with someone paying $500 for a psa 10 Roaf, or $250 for a PSA 10 Dermontti Dawson or $150 for a PSA 10 Leroy Butler. Especially if I have one for sale. I am perfectly content with my 9's until the prices come down on the 10's. But that's me, there are plenty of other guys who have the money to buy the cards in high-grade that are low pop. At least these cards that are getting high prices are HOF caliber rookie cards. Explain the low pop PSA 10 1977 Caeser Cedeno common getting $375 to me. Now that I will NEVER understand. But to each his own.

drewsef

There are gonna be quite a few of those such examples(Roaf Bowman rc in 10) where some of those top dog registry guys really take a beating to have the highest graded example quickly. Take a look at the 84 topps Dwight Stephenson in PSA 9, all 4sharp had to do was sent a crapload of those in and the price has dropped like a ton of bricks. It pays to have common sense in my opinion when ponying up so much money for some of these "registry caliber" cards. I'll take a hoard of the superstar caliber HOF players like Unitas, Starr, Namath, Staubach, etc.......... any day over paying an outrageous sum for an top population card of a non big-name superstar HOF player. Wanna bet on which will have greater value in 20 years?

envoy98

"The set registry is a helluva drug"

CDsNuts

envoy, How about $100 for a 1995 PSA 9 punter that won't make the hall (nice job on that one by the way)?

jradke- That was kinda my point. So people are now paying a few grand for Manning SP PSA 10 RCs. What's gonna happen when the set registry guys jump into the fray? There aren't gonna be too many of them to go around, so it could get way up there. You're gonna be looking at spending $30k to even compete in the HOF RC registry.

Morgoth

What if PSA started actually polling all existing set registry members about which card they would like added before adding it. When Peyton goes into the Hall a email is sent listing all of his 1998 RCs that would qualify and the one with the highest vote total wins. Trying to judge which card is harder to grade and basing you decision off that is silly when production numbers of sets could even out the pops.

envoy98

For any new additions to existing sets, that's exactly what they do.

There are a dozen threads on this. Why don't we post to one of those instead of this thread which has absolutely nothing to do with what this has morphed into.

envoy98

<< <i>envoy, How about $100 for a 1995 PSA 9 punter that won't make the hall (nice job on that one by the way)?

jradke- That was kinda my point. So people are now paying a few grand for Manning SP PSA 10 RCs. What's gonna happen when the set registry guys jump into the fray? There aren't gonna be too many of them to go around, so it could get way up there. You're gonna be looking at spending $30k to even compete in the HOF RC registry. >>



Manning's SP is already in a handful of sets. All Time Colts, All Time QB's, Future HOF and should be added to the SB MVP set as well. Not to mention, I'm sure it will be part of the decade set in a couple years. The Manning is also a print run of /1999. So there are plenty of copies to go around. What's nice about the registry is that some of the BGS copies are now in PSA holders.

As for the Bennett PSA 9, It's not for me to judge what people want to spend their money on. I don't understand some of it, even some of the stuff I buy, I don't understand it. If you take a look on VCP you'll see exactly when certain cards were added to sets. Particularly the Future HOF sets. Cards that 6 months ago in a PSA 9 holder got $33 now get $550 in private sale. A PSA 7 of the same card gets $35 now. The way I look at it though, the registry is very good for this hobby, Exceptional for PSA and makes collecting a lot more fun for me. If people want to spend $1500 Larry Allen PSA 10 with a pop of 1,, $25k on an SGC 100 Arod or $7500 for a 1954 Bowman Common PSA 9... Let em.

Davemri

<< <i>If people want to spend $1500 Larry Allen PSA 10 with a pop of 1,, >>



Now I know how you've made so many nice purchases lately....

drewsef

I don't think anyone has argued or said how anyone should spend their money, in the end we all are spending alot of it on cardboard. I don't think it hurts to point out how reasonably outrageous it is that people pay $250 for a Dermontti Dawson, $100 for a Darren Bennett, or $500 for a Roaf, and that sort of pricing on cards of that nature(non-surperstars without a long-term track record of being tough to find, rare in that grade after years of people sending that card in, or all of the above) is more than likely not a winning proposition.

CDsNuts

envoy, everything you just said is true. Although, Bennett is the only fun punter to watch because he used to be a rugby player and sometimes lays people out.

I guess my overall point was that the registry has already turned into a "who has more money" competition where people are greatly overpaying for stuff that would be common if not for the registry, so where does it go from here now that companies are putting out high end everything and rookies are being seeded at one or two per box? Even if they use the SP Authentic or SPX rookies, they already sell for triple figures in raw form. It's scary to think what might happen.

drewsef

I agree 100% with you Lee, and would add that I will be content with my bowman chrome and topps chrome rookies of Peyton Manning in PSA 9 and add a Walter Payton rookie in PSA 8 or Don Hutson rookie in PSA 7 before even blinking about buying Peyton's 98 SP. Just doesn't make any sense to me at that price point.

envoy98

HA! I didn't get anywhere near $1500 for mine! I got a LOT less than that.

envoy98

Lee - I maybe wasn't clear before. But the new era of SP Authentic etc will never go in these sets because a) they are autographed b)most have a game used piece (patch or what have you) and C) the print run is <999.

Edited to say: They certainly could be requested and voted on, but it's not likely any would be added. The Topps Chrome Tomlinson is the lone card in these sets that has a print run <1000. The lone exception being the Heisman set which for some reason wanted to use the Contenders autographed rc's of Dayne, Williams, and Crouch. No idea why those were added.

CDsNuts

I haven't been keeping up with the 00's sets, but I know 1998 and 1999 SP were numbered to 1998 and 1999. I guess now they all have some sort of bell or whistle like an auto or patch, but doesn't that defeat the point of the registry to not include the guy's most "desirable" card, like they do with the 80s and 90s sets?

I guess this is PSA's attempt to keep the cards reasonable, which is probably a good idea.

envoy98

Well the first problem with that is that PSA just started grading the thick cards. The second problem is many are very low numbered. For example the true "RC" from Exquisite is #/99 on the big names. Guys like Bush, Leinart etc. I think the biggest obstacle post 1999 (2000 being the first year of the Patch rc in SPA) was that PSA didn't grade them so there was no debate. Now the debate can begin, however I think the numbering is going to preclude most of these.